Westminstenders: DUP says no

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I don't really feel qualified to start a Westminstenders thread but we need a new one....

I've repeatedly explained that Scotland rarely influences the colour of Government that the UK gets, so it wouldn't be condemning FUKD to eternal Conservative rule.

The UK normally gets what England voted for.

Ironically, the current Government comes into the category of one of those rare occasions: it is the 13 Scottish Conservative MPs who gave May enough MPs to even be in a position for a C&S arrangement with the DUP. But that also means that the current Government is a prime example that every party that has depended on the Scottish MPs to form a majority are not stable.

Wasn't there polling data showing that if we don't leave as promised on '!T31 Oct, Johnson's support collapses? Don't blink first. That's what he and Cummings want.

There was Buttery that and revoking were on a par. However I think where he can manage to place ‘blame’ would also mitigate some of this for him.

Butterymuffin But surly BJ will just make more of a play on, he wanted to leave, got a deal which the EU when other people said they would negotiate, it’s Parliament stopping us leaving, people v Parliament

There is no masterstroke in changing your party from the Conservative and Unionist party to the Conservative party.
The short term gains may well unleash much more profound longer term losses.
And again Brexit is not a right, left issue. It isn't helpful to think of it like that. Corbyn has been negative about the EU for decades longer than BJ.

Motheroffourdragons Damn autocorrect VONC, then a GE

I think CendrillonSings is Cummings.

Brexit could be for the Tory’s what the 70’s were for Labour. A period in history which renders them completely unelectable for a certain generation of people.

Now that’s just rude. I have my own hair, you know!

And one would hope you will have swung by ‘style and beauty’ and have better dress sense *Cendrillion’.

"Now that's just rude. I have my own hair, you know!"

Cummings has his own hair. Just not very much of it.

Sorry if this has already asked, I only read back a couple of a hundred posts, but is the new WA even legal. J Maugham is back in court today (?) as there is something in UK law that says you can't have different customs in different parts of the UK.
www.heraldscotland.com/news/17976211.scottish-courts-declare-boris-johnsons-new-brexit-deal-unlawful/

BeFine Easy enough to repeal that

I'm more worried about a privatised NHS stealing my money than the nasty socialists, since I have a couple of conditions and will probably need more healthcare later in life when my arthritis gets worse, but hey, since when have Tories ever given a fuck about disabled/chronically ill people?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine

I was thinking about this as well. I'm hoping that if the deal passes, J Maugham will surprise us all and invalidate the whole thing - proving, as you say, it's illegality

Rights that the USA wants gone:
workers' rights, consumer rights, envionmental regs
and another law making the NHS pay the same prices for meds that BIg Pharma has in the US

I know BCF, I agree with you. I should have put the word ' tweaks' in inverted commas. This is what the Brexit mob and the ERG have wanted all along.Ever since James Goldsmith started his rage against EU workers' and consumers' rights this has been the agenda. If Saturday's vote goes in Johnson's favour, that wet dream is one step closer.

I do think the erosion will be gradual though because of domestic political considerations.Reducing paid holiday back immediately to the right to one weeks’ holiday per year would be electoral suicide. Average holiday in the US may be a fortnight per year but that would not go down well here... to begin with.

But there are other steps to take. I predict:

• reintroducing high tribunal fees so that workers can't afford to bring claims
• introducing more 'flexibility' so that when a business is sold TUPE protections are reduced and the employees are less protected
• 'tweaks' to the rules on weekly and daily working time limits and record keeping

In the longer term little bit by little bit...

• collective redundancy consultation changing so it becomes easier for employers to pay lip service to a redundancy process
• putting a low financial limit on discrimination awards

And that will only be the start. In an HR context I have come across American business seeking to establish over here and they really, really can't believe our employment laws compared to their own. They have an at will system where employers can terminate a worker’s employment relationship without notice, for any reason, so long as doing so is not a violation of a protected class. This is what they have wanted all along.Ever since James Goldsmith started ranting about the EU then more recently Liam Fox, Priti Patel, JRM, IDS etc etc.

If anyone wants a peep into the future then the US is a good starting point and anyone who thinks " it can't happen here' is beyond foolish.

www.footholdamerica.com/faqs/employing-a-us-worker/us-employment-law-vs-uk-employment-law/

Easy enough to repeal that

Presumably not before Saturday though? Can MPs vote through an agreement that is currently illegal, but may not be illegal in the future?

Is there some sort of switch that goes off that means you vote Tory when you hit fifty?? If not they are in serious trouble in the near future.

The switch got broken then in my case, because I have never voted Tory in a GE and don't intend to start.

Brexit could be for the Tory’s what the 70’s were for Labour. A period in history which renders them completely unelectable for a certain generation of people.

We can but live in hope. Or No, we can get out there and actively camaign for the opposition parties.

a coup de main

You mean a coup de maître.

Signed, someone on the continent who actually speaks French.

BeFine Put it in the WA bill if need be

Matthew d'Ancona**@MatthewdAncona

1.Today’s deal marks a huge change in the priorities of the Conservative Party.
In the early Nineties, when Euroscepticism was born, such treatment of Northern Ireland would have been unthinkable.

1. Tory memories of the Brighton bomb and the assassination of Airey Neave and Ian Gow were still personal and vivid. All MPs had seen the horrific cost of sectarian conflict.

Making NI a diplomatic chip would have been unthinkable.

1. But, the better part of three decades on, the party’s priorities have changed dramatically.

Brexit matters MUCH more to today’s Tories than the survival of the Union. On which basis, a customs border between Britain and NI is acceptable.

1. That this involves a huge breach of endless undertakings to the people of NI is neither here nor there to Johnson.

Eggs had to be broken to make the omelette of a deal and an eventual Tory election victory.

1. It is a lousy deal. But Johnson has weaponised boredom and impatience.

‘Get Brexit Done’ has harnessed contemporary attention deficit, based on the entirely misleading notion that Brexit will be done and dusted on October 31 and we can all ‘move on’.

1. Not so at all.

But the choreography by Number Ten has been brilliant: nail-biting drama, a supposed triumph, crushing pressure on the Commons to get on with it, vote against delay, liberate us all from the water torture of the last three years.

1. What every MP must ask themselves on Saturday is:

where does true statesmanship lie? Is this deal really in the UK’s strategic, commercial and public interest? Is convenience the same as merit? It’s up to them now. ENDS

I do think the erosion will be gradual though because of domestic political considerations

I think this as well.
Working in a multi national setting a lot of time has to set aside explaining to senior US managers about sick leave, employment law etc and even the fundamentally decent ones just have a very different outlook on these issues to Europeans.
It won't happen overnight but more jobs will become gig based for longer, temporary work could maybe lose its time limit. I see a chip, chip approach being taken.

Wasn't there polling data showing that if we don't leave as promised on '!T31 Oct, Johnson's support collapses?

But that would very likely have been on the premise that BJ has just kicked the can down the road and extended voluntarily when promising that he wouldn’t.

If this WA is voted down and the Benn Act forces an extension, I don’t think it’s BJ that leavers will be blaming!

My fear with any deal was always the slow chipping away of rights, so subtle that it passes most people by.