Westminstenders: DUP says no

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I don't really feel qualified to start a Westminstenders thread but we need a new one....

If that WA passes, we would have a GE v soon, because no point in blocking it any longer

Corbyn would want a GE, so would the SNP and the Tory rebels who voted WA would return to the Tory fold anyway, removing the rebels effective majority in the HoC

BJ would likely win a massive (English) landslide, as the PM who finally "got Brexit done"

With the transition period, he could have a long honeymoon with the British public,
then bugger off into the sunset to leave the mess to someone else, when transition ends and things get tough

On that depressing note: I'll bugger off to bed

That deal is gaining momentum.
No ERG criticising it; Tory rebels ok with it as it's basically their deal but with changes they can stomach - I except Grieve from this group - ( they seem to ignore the eventual no deal risk); labour now apparently not backing call for confirmatory vote & wont remove whip if MPs vote for deal. You couldn't make it up.

This is going to be back to the eighties & labour desperately need to get real & find their next early years Blair urgently - with a crack team around that person with money/drive/political intelligence & ruthlessness.

labour now apparently not backing call for confirmatory vote & wont remove whip if MPs vote for deal.

I’m just despairing at this - I give up

I, I don't think that Guardian article is cause for despair.

The problem with attaching a PV amendment to the Deal Bill is that it might encourage some wavering MPs to vote for it - it gives them a kind of moral fig-leaf.

It's going to be insanely narrow.

I can see why Labour leadership would think twice about an amendment that might tip the balance.

It's a really tough one.

labour now apparently not backing call for confirmatory vote & wont remove whip if MPs vote for deal. You couldn't make it up.

Labour seems really confident in its position.

@CendrillonSings
I'm quite new to this thread but your post smacks of schadenfreude. I'm no fan of Corbyn's Labour but I think an effective opposition is essential in a functioning democracy. A weak opposition is no good for anyone.

I'm pro consensus politics & Johnson's government is the polar opposite. Surely an attempt to unite the country on a close vote by adopting a moderate position would be better for everyone.

What's so funny?

Dried you might be new to this thread but you seem pretty damn astute already!

@Driedlimes you might think so!

Thank you for the welcome longtimers! I didn't dare post for so long but now love it although these threads move fast.

Just caught up.
E and Elements.
Didn't BoZo resign over this deal?

Still think the aim is ND with them vouching on not getting numbers and blaming Labour for not getting this WA.

I've had a Leaver tell me today that "at least Boris is going to do something; my husband's business is feeling the uncertainty. The sooner we move on the better. He'll be decisive at least." Had to withold the eye roll and ask in an innocent way how long she thought the actual deal might take? That's not the issue, its only this bit that is hurting business obvs. It's all fine if we ND though as she drove past Manston and they've "sorted it all out the the lorries"

Missed some later posts whilst catching up and have to say BCF your last post actually has a lot of credibility. I've been shocked how many workmen I've seen over the last 2 weeks who think BoZo is the second coming and even those who don't want Brexit think he's 'strong'

I'm quite new to this thread but your post smacks of schadenfreude. I'm no fan of Corbyn's Labour but I think an effective opposition is essential in a functioning democracy. A weak opposition is no good for anyone.

Well, after all the too-clever-by-half nonsense to box in Boris and the Conservatives, schadenfreude is precisely what I feel watching it backfire so spectacularly. And I’m afraid that when the main opposition is Corbynite Labour, I want it as weak and useless as an umbrella made out of toilet paper...

Can't sleep and ruminating on the fact that BoZo hasn't quite polished the turd, but has made it turdier...and yet, being a man and due to the 3.5yrs of shit governance by Tories making everyone feel like sticking pins into their eyes when Brexit is discussed, this is likely to be what defines our nation for generations.
Abturd.

this is likely to be what defines our nation for generations.

It's going to be insanely narrow.

Woke up absurdly early yet again.

Why can't more of the disinterested majority see that if something was hugely beneficial it wouldn't be this insanely narrow?

For something that defines us for generations shouldn't the benefits be more transparent and persuasive?

Hi lonely I’m awake too - on the train this evening for London- have to work today (officially day off but covering for colleague). Am quite glad as takes my mind off politics! Prob won’t see you there but enjoy the March. I will as at least I feel I’m standing up to be counted.

I am up early as well. This is the new normal for me. But yes, lonelyplanetmum, this is what I have been thinking too. Something so fundamentally right and easy shouldn't be this hard to do!

I don't agree, BCF. If the deal passes there is absolutely no need for a GE right now. It would be much better to let it drift on and to wait until there is a BoZo fuck up with negotiations than agree to have one imminently.

And, the only reason BoZo was shouting so loudly for one was to 'break the deadlock' which won't exist anymore if a deal goes through.

So, I don't think it would be sensible to have a VoNC just after BoZo has 'delivered' Brexit (I will never like that terminology!). Which means Labour will go for it, no doubt!

Labour need to let it drift on, get themselves a new leader, and be waiting, stronger, for the right time. Even if it's early next year.

Bigchoc I think if we want or more likely need an extension to the transition period we need to request one before July 2020. As nothing will really have changed, will people even notice if it is asked for ?

will as at least I feel I’m standing up to be counted

Yes Born ditto. It would be nice to see you at the march ( shuffle) but it is easier to keep a smaller family group together.

Corbyn and his sidekick said they will resign if they lose the next GE so if everyone wants them gone best we have a GE very soon. Trouble is there is no one in the labour party that could turn it back into a votable party for those that want a Blairite labour party.

The trouble with this whole Parliament is that there is very very little talented or States person minded people in it.

Trouble is there is no one in the labour party that could turn it back into a votable party for those that want a Blairite labour party.

There are... Kier Starmer for starters.

*No one in the Labour Party
*
What about
Yvette Cooper
Keir Starmer
David Lammy
Hilary Benn
Emily Thornberry
Jess Phillips
Rebecca Long-Bailey
Margaret Beckett
Angela Eagle

And, you know what, if this deal does go through, then just give the people a bloody break for a bit. I think there's a much better chance of a more 'normal' election if people just get a fucking break from politics for a bit. It gives people time to mentally regroup.

IF it goes through. It'll squeak past the post if it does pass.

I really am conflicted, when looking at the available options, as opposed to what I'd like, what is the best option right now.

what would happen if the vote is split down the middle? would Bercow have to cast the deciding vote? and which way would he vote? wow what a responsibility for him. Would he have to do it instantly on the spot. That would be mega drama!