Westministenders: Slow News Fake News

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Things have been slow whilst we are in proroguation, ahead of next weeks Queen's Speech and the EU summit.

We've been in full spin mode, from the likes of the far right and an unnamed source at No.10.

People seem to be waking up to the reality that its highly unlikely we will get a deal now, unless something significant. And No.10 has worked out the NI problem. FINALLY.

Anyway, if you have a little time this week and you are interested in the history of where technology change and fake news meet and how where we are now is merely things repeating themselves, Ian Hislop's Fake News: A True History, is essential viewing.
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00095hv/ian-hislops-fake-news-a-true-history

I really feel strongly this is stuff that should be being taught in schools somehow as its what protects us from extremism.

Placemarking as need to watch it for some research I'm doing.

What kind of research and for who?

The rule on not frustrating enacted legislation is “untested law”.

Well I suppose any new Act is theoretically untested until the first claim under it. Does this mean that the public can also ignore any new piece of legislation- the annual taxes rules for example.

How on Earth has Loathsome got as far as she has?

We all know that non compliance with any law, rule and regulation results in either a crime or a civil wrong. The remedies include imprisonments, fines, compensation, declarations, and loss of reputation. Except clearly we don't all know this as the Tory cabinet see law enforcement as an untested optional kind of a thing.

LauraK has been very unprofessional for a long time now

I know getting special access to top govt ministers can really boost a career,
but a career as a govt suckup, whether left or right, forfeits all respect

Being a govt mouthpiece is bad enough;
being a govt spinner is outrageous

and should disqualify her a BBC journalist

• the Tory party should foot her salary, not the licence payers

I've been wondering if she has ambitions to go into politics:

If Cummings purges those MPs who refuse to sign up to a No Deal manifesto, there may be 50+ Tory seats looking for a new candidate in a hurry.

pmk

LauraK gives me The Rage with her constant refrain “of course, YOU [the amorphous mass of BBC viewership/readership] just want Brexit done”. Piss off Laura.

Anyway she has had it emphatically pointed out to her that, far from being untested law, the relevant public law principle was settled by the House of Lords in Padfield in 1968.

Presumably Cummings will put himself first in the “safe seats” queue. Yes I could see Laura joining in too.

News about EHIC scheme

www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49989227

Personally, I found this:

The government has asked all 31 countries to keep EHICs in use until 31 December 2020, no matter what happens with Brexit.

But only three have agreed to cover UK tourists if there's no deal.

of much more interest than the actual EHIC bit.

It doesn't bode well for any future deals, does it ? I wonder how much more travel insurance will be and what extra restrictions will be placed on it ?

But n fact it's been pointed out that it's even more "tested" than Padfield as Padfield was about ensuring an action was taken that was being avoided; whereas the Benn Act explicitly addresses the actions required (and the fact that nothing should be done to frustrate it). So they can't claim it is untested by "omission"

Laura K's defence that that it is the same as the prorogation case where there was a difference in opinion in the different courts until it was "tested" in the highest court is disingenuous in the extreme and shows her complete lack of understanding of the law

She was rightly excoriated for that.

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Enormously outing but Johnson & Vararkar are meeting at Thornton Manor on the Wirral, about 5 minutes from my parent's house.

Hi All. Thanks for your kind words recently. This may be my last post as I may be banned due to a rant on another thread. Whatever, leaving Mumsnet will probably improve my mental health no end.
Apart from Westminsterenders, there is hardly anything really worth looking at, as it is a continual stream of gripes.
I might look in at Westminterenders from time to time, but in leaving I wish you all well in the future, whatever actually happens.

54321 hope you don't get banned, but agreed re other threads - it all seems very bleak and petty lately. Hope you continue to make a good recovery.

54321

I also hope you don't get banned. I've never really gone onto any other threads on MN, apart from the odd foray into the Brexit Arms when I needed a somewhat despairing laugh.

It's Westminstenders all the way for me (and I suspect for many others who've recently been registering their presence largely as fellow lurkers). Stay on here if you're worried about your mental health - it's certainly helped mine.

Surreal things you notice ....

No fireworks on sale in the Supermarkets yet this year

• Guy Fawkes is only 4 weeks away ....

they normally go on sale in early October

54321 I hope you are ok 💐

Fireworks can't legally be sold until next Tuesday.

Keith Burge @carryonkeith
Nissan is ending the night shift at its Sunderland plant. No job losses yet, but a cut in pay for 3,000 staff. If there were to be a No Deal Brexit, lay offs would be inevitable. And that would reverberate right down its supply chain and across local communities.

Nissan is ending the night shift at its Sunderland plant. No job losses yet, but a cut in pay for 3,000 staff. If there were to be a No Deal Brexit, lay offs would be inevitable. And that would reverberate right down its supply chain and across local communities.

Remember: If Boris had his way, we'd probably either be at the polls today, or reflecting on what happened last week ....

The quiet is eerie again. It's making me nervous.

I've never been keen on another referendum, with the logic that if one was a really bad idea, then you shouldn't have another to sort it out. (They should be totally banned in IMO.)

However Tony Blair talking sense here to Andrew Neil about why a ref makes more sense than an election:

Dr. Jennifer Cassidy
@OxfordDiplomat
Say what you will about these two men, the politics they hold, the deeds done. But this is the type of interviewing and reflective answering that should be our standard: “So if Brexit is your problem & Brexit is the question go back to the people on Brexit”

twitter.com/OxfordDiplomat/status/1182246118085799936

I wish Tony would just fuck off, he has on objective and thats to keep the neo-liberal centre right happy, he really can FOTTFSOF

Whilst far too revealing I m having some weird form of breakdown.
I had a stroke recently but am physically recovering fine. Thoughts in 2 directions:
I would like to be able to offer up to about a dozen Syrian orphans, together with a couple of young adults, to help reassure the children, (help cook meals that bthey like etc) to share part of my place as a safe refuge for them.
Simultaneouly, I want to go to the UK and seriously mess up the lives of some solicitors who have contributed to my current feelings, and would prevent doing the former thing. Brexit is just making it all worse. Particulrly the constant lying of the 'Brexiteers'.

I admit I may have missed it discussed on a previous thread, but did I hear something about the EU offering a joint veto and backstop lasting 5 years or something? ( I mentioned it up thread but noone responded)

Also, I have now watched that ian Hislop show. Interesting stuff. Although I found it interesting he edits the Private eye. I totally was alway told that PE was a fringe conspiracy paper? Is it not?

I also realise reading this thread that I need to learn more about Syria/Turkey and Russia as I feel woefully uneducated reading all of your comments!

I promise I am not as thick as this post makes me sound though!

but did I hear something about the EU offering a joint veto and backstop lasting 5 years or something? ( I mentioned it up thread but noone responded)

Unicorn shit and fairy dust thats what a time limited backstop is