Brexit Arms - Pop Up

[time4chocolate]

Well I’m going to have a crack at this Landlady business and I’ve opened a pop up pub.

Rules are:
Anything brexit related is up for discussion and even not Brexit related if you feel the need (so if you want to discuss Haemoroids that’s ok too ).

I’m ok with a bit of arseyness (it’s an emotive subject) but if you go full monty in here I reserve the right to withhold all alcoholic beverages.

I have reserved a quiet table for MNHQ if they want to pop in for a quiet drink (Happy Hour is 6-7pm).

Haven’t properly caught up yet with today’s Brexit news yet but looks like we are finally facing end game, that said still plenty of days left for high jinks and holidays.

Anyone have any views on how they think the next few days will play out are welcome to voice here.

First drinks are on the house 🍻 Cheers

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We aren't living in normal times, the EP parliament has to approve any WA, as does the HoC.

A no-deal will cause great harm to the EU economy and its peoples, as well as ours but we are responsible for this.

So, both Speakers making contact is normal in this abnormal age, especially as Bojo seems incapable of making progress.

I think Bercow has done an excellent job of shedding old loyalties If we extend does he stay in place until GE?

“We aren't living in normal times”

You’re telling me! Lol

The rules remain the rules though. This is not impartial at any level. The content of the supposed conversation doesn’t even appear to be the most relevant factor here. What’s relevant is the fact it took place at all, given the stated rules above.

I don’t really know much about what the speaker does, apart from shout “order”. Yes, I probably shouldn’t be ignorant about it...

That meeting does appear to be inappropriate from what people have posted about the speaker position on here.

But what i’m struggling understand is, why it would make a big difference.

What can Bercow actually do to influence the situation besides shout order a lot?

The rules remain the rules though

Sure but we don't know what was discussed and are these rules or guidelines?
BJ seems to have ripped up the rule book too, getting the Hungarian govt in, in an attempt to block an extension, an extension which is UK law, voted in by the UK sovereign Parliament but its ok to seek to overturn this using a foreign govt!

No, it is not.

How is it impartial though ? He met with the other speaker , they both looked at the options available should no agreement be agreed and came to the same conclusion, IF an extension is granted, there would need to be a GE, referendum , rock,paper,scissors, heads or tails or pub game tournament to decide where the heck we go next, hardly controversial stuff.

Bercow no big surprise nor was Grieve et al consulting on Benn Act.

Most amusing snippet of the day was Guy V acting all confused at Caroline Flint and the other 18 Labour MPs writing to tell the EU they were happy to sign up to Boris' proposals.

More power to your elbow time4chocolate

Anyone watch Tony B interview - I can't bring myself to.

Can someone explain to me what the perceived problem is with the speakers of two parliaments having a meeting?

Even if you view the EP as a "competitor" ... like most senior people in the business world I have meetings with competitors from time to time. There are rules about what we can discuss (legal and ethical limitations), and as professionals we abide by them.

We are really in a mess if having meetings with European counterparts is assumed to be treachery

Bercow has repeatedly defied parliamentary convention by allowing the opposition to seize control of the order papers to deliberately frustrate the government. Of course talking to the EU speaker could be completely "innocent" but taken with Bercows actions in parliament, the optics don't look good.

the optics don't look good.

Depends who’s looking, and what they think is important.

What is clear is that the rest of the world (pretty much) is now looking at us, as a country and thinking wtf?

What do you think they might have talked about and in what way would it damage U.K interests? I'm genuinely curious to understand whether this is a considered position or just people who don't like Bercow taking a potshot.

OK, I’m now up to speed with the Bercow issue, certainly don’t think it was appropriate and not the actions of someone who should be impartial. I imagine he might be someone who suffers from delusions of grandeur, maybe he sees himself as the hero of the hour and he is going to swoop in and save the country from itself.

It does seem to be a bit of an ‘open house’ over at EU HQ at the moment, maybe I should pop over and have a word, redress the balance a bit .

Jas there will be NO extension to the happy hour. Boris and the ‘crusty’ comment, I don’t agree with what they are doing but Boris’ comment was a bit disappointing but I am hopeful that Carrie will have given him a suitable tongue lashing and made him see the error of his ways.

Howabout haven’t heard about Caroline Flint & co, so will do some digging around on that in a mo. Tony B interview don’t blame you, it’s a no from me too, I’ve just eaten.

So in what way was it inappropriate? People keep saying this but with only the vaguest handwaviest justification.

OMG, I just thought I would do a very quick search just on the off chance and there is an actual picture of JB as Superman. Bloody Hell.

Why are none of the major news sites carrying the story of Bercow? Sky, BBC etc mention nothing about it, in fact the Rooney/vardy story is getting more news time

How could the UK speaker talking to the EU speaker influence what actually happens with regards Brexit BelleHathor ? That is a genuine question by the way.

All feels a bit squirrely, as in quick look over there at what Bercow is transparently doing in full view of all the 28 EU countries, he's talking to someone doing the same job as him, fraternising with the enemy no less.
< dons hooded cloak and drags out dusty bell, clears throat and starts shouting shame, gets told to pipe down by DH for interrupting the recorded rugby, is it just me or are the Fijians the size of small cars ? >

I imagine he might be someone who suffers from delusions of grandeur, maybe he sees himself as the hero of the hour and he is going to swoop in and save the country from itself

Sounds familiar

Yeah, I'm not being goady, but people keep parroting stuff about Bercow without making any attempt to explain how and why this is not in the UK's interests.

The EP has virtually no role in Brexit negotiations, regardless of grandstanding by Verhofstadt.

Frumpety it's not necessarily a question of how can influence the negotiations with the EU, it's a question of on who's authority is he speaking to Sassoli. The executive is meant to negotiate Brexit. Does the fact that he is speaking to Sassoli undermine the governments negotiating position? Whether it is wholly innocent or not to leavers it can look like treason/betrayal. It's an own goal like Hillary Clintons "Basket of deplorables" which played well to her base but alienated a lot of potential voters.

Mistigri Bercows main remit is to oversee debates in Parliament in an impartial way (and I’m 100% certain that this remit does not include European Parliament). He is just meddling at best and colluding at worst, not in his job description but does nonetheless help Boris’ cause.

Hello, anyone want to join me in a glass of [red]? its on me as I won £3 on a scratch card today.

As we're in the pub, I just wonder what everyone is thinking about Carrie Symonds' position? If I was her, had just moved into the no.10 gaff and was busy thinking about curtains I'd be a bit pissed off about the Arcuri allegations. Also, Marina is very quiet (I know she has been unwell and has her children to think of) but her book is going to be a bloody blockbuster isnt it?

I can hear skeletons rattling even more loudly than they have to date.

What evidence do you have that he is "meddling" (with what?) or "colluding" (to do what)?

"Colluding" is the language of war and treachery. Is the speaker of the EP an enemy?

Mistigri well I don’t think, given that we are days away from 31st October, that’s he’s just popped over there for a cup of tea and a Belgian bun. Obviously, if it turns out that I’m wrong and my suspicions are unfounded then I will duly apologise. Let’s see.