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time4chocolate · 09/10/2019 18:16

Well I’m going to have a crack at this Landlady business and I’ve opened a pop up pubSmile.

Rules are:
Anything brexit related is up for discussion and even not Brexit related if you feel the need (so if you want to discuss Haemoroids that’s ok too Wink).

I’m ok with a bit of arseyness (it’s an emotive subject) but if you go full monty in here I reserve the right to withhold all alcoholic beverages.

I have reserved a quiet table for MNHQ if they want to pop in for a quiet drink (Happy Hour is 6-7pmSmile).

Haven’t properly caught up yet with today’s Brexit news yet but looks like we are finally facing end game, that said still plenty of days left for high jinks and holidays.

Anyone have any views on how they think the next few days will play out are welcome to voice here.

First drinks are on the house WineWine 🍻 Cheers

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Parker231 · 13/10/2019 09:48

What’s wrong with not wanting MP’s to put me, my family, friends and the public in a worse position? I call it sensible. It doesn’t have to be identical but not worse!

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time4chocolate · 13/10/2019 09:54

It would only need to look as if wasn't going to be damaging or detrimental to the country I imagine

Which would be what?

Let’s be honest here, they couldn’t agree on anything when they took over parliamentary business, they can’t agree on who would possibly lead a GNU and Labour can’t even agree on their own Brexit policy - I really can’t see them all being able to agree on something of this magnitude.

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time4chocolate · 13/10/2019 09:56

That’s the stuff of nightmares Burps

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twofingerstoEverything · 13/10/2019 10:07

Which would be what?
Dunno. You tell me. You voted for it.

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time4chocolate · 13/10/2019 10:10

Dunno. You tell me. You voted for it

I’d probably go for the deal (details pending of course) what about you?

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Notthebloodymustardcushion · 13/10/2019 10:17

Pops in for a swift half after a short MH break, observes the arms has been colonised once again by the usual frothing, goading, insulting remainers.

Leaves. (Not a pun).

twofingerstoEverything · 13/10/2019 10:28

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DustyDiamond · 13/10/2019 10:32

They never stop do they mustard.
It's very boring.

twofingerstoEverything · 13/10/2019 10:46

time4
Details aren't known yet, so I'm not going to comment on whatever Johnson has come up with, but I doubt it will be acceptable to me because I voted remain and want to keep FOM and a bouyant economy.
What would have been acceptable to me - and I know that ship sailed when May threw down her red lines - was a Norway type arrangement. I think most remainers would have accepted this. But May's determination to suck up to the ERG etc made this impossible. I would also lay some blame with Leavers who weren't willing to compromise or accept anything that wasn't hard Brexit. People who support no deal have, IMO, elevated Brexit to a cult that they will worship no matter what.

But then I have struggled - since the lead-up to the referendum - with the notion of voting for the unknown/the unplanned for and cannot understand why anyone would be that rash, particularly given the bunch of liars and charlatans who were actively campaigning for leave.

54321go · 13/10/2019 10:47

They never stop do they mustard.
It's very boring.

Boring is waiting for 3 years for leavers to actually say what they want,not what they don't want.
17 Million versions of random rants by leavers with no fucking clue and the inability to work out that leaving the EU will solve very little as practically all 'ills' are ENTIRELY down to the thieving Lying UK politicians who have demonstrated over the last 50 years or so that they don't actually care for the overall welfare of the UK.
Inability to see the whole picture and establish the truth is a leaver's major failing.

Burpsandrustles · 13/10/2019 10:55

At least we can leave the thread or ignore them.

Imagine the people in rl they drone onto and try and re educate.

jasjas1973 · 13/10/2019 10:59

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Bearbehind · 13/10/2019 11:01

Nowburps is back I’m looking forward to hearing about the deal that was possible if everyone had played nicely.

The thing I will never understand about Leavers who make comments like that or the prison analogy is their complete inability to follow those comments through as they simply haven’t thought furth ahead than the headline comment.

In the prison analogy :-

  • All prisoners have been kicked out as those who wanted to stay weren’t allowed
  • none of them have anywhere to live
  • no one has any food
  • no one else really want to help because they’ve seen the prisoners behaviour
  • and if they did help, it would be on poor terms as they’d know how desperate people were

It’s actually not a bad analogy as it goes, just not for the reasons the PP thought

It clearly demonstrates how Leavers haven’t really thought beyond the ‘get out’ part.

dirtyrottenscoundrel · 13/10/2019 11:07

Can't educate pork

So why do you spend so much of your time on this thread?

Most people do all they can to avoid people they have nothing in common with & don’t particularly like, yet here you are, every single day.
🤔

Parker231 · 13/10/2019 11:09

@twofingerstoEverything - same here - I want to keep FOM and protect our economy, trade deals, supply chain etc.

Burpsandrustles · 13/10/2019 11:12

Bear I don't know how to explain any deal formation to you except that if the result had been accepted from the start, being on the same page but with different aims would have forged us a workable deal for us, and presented a united front to the eu.

I'm struggling to think of an analogy for this because there seems to be expectations that the cart comes before the horse.

A couple decides to divorce. They simply have no idea what that will look like until they go through the process!!

It's a process and one that has been severely hampered by say one of the divorcees siblings talking to the other side and filling in the other side undermining her sister?

The very fact so many mps feel more allegiance to the eu project than their own country highlights to me how terribly important leaving the eu is.

Bearbehind · 13/10/2019 11:16

I don't know how to explain any deal formation to you except that if the result had been accepted from the start, being on the same page but with different aims would have forged us a workable deal for us, and presented a united front to the eu.

burps I’m not looking for an analogy - I’d like to know what you think could have been different even if everyone had played nicely.

It was TMs red lines which have defined what deal is possible.

You clearly don’t agree with dropping those, otherwise you would have said, so I simply don’t understand what you think was possible.

Burpsandrustles · 13/10/2019 11:17

Oh what about this.

Sally and dave are getting divorced.

Sally is a very high earner and has subsided dave for her whole married life.
She gives him her wage, into his bank account and he pays her pocket money from this and also tells her what to spend it on.

She's not allowed to spend her money on what she wants. Dave earns a pittance and dave has a very large family who are allowed to stay in the house. Sally has no say over this.
Sally tries to make rules for the house like shoes off but dave over rules her.
Sally is

Bearbehind · 13/10/2019 11:19

burps stop the analogy nonsense, please just answer the actual question - what do you think was possible if the red lines had remained but everyone had agreed with them?

Burpsandrustles · 13/10/2019 11:23

Not happy Sad Sally wants a divorce.

Sally doesn't believe dave any more when he tries to say how well he spends and re distributes her money. She doesn't like the gaudy tasteless statue in the garden nor the crappy water feature he got his family to erect.

Sally needs urgent building work done and she can't do it inspite of having the money because of dave.

She wants out of the marriage and feels she can easily support herself and make descions without having to go through dave.

Sally starts divorce proceedings but unknown to Sally her friend is having an affair with dave and starts to tell dave in advance every move Sally makes.

Sally doesn't realise this thinking her friend is on her side and whilst Sally would happily sell the house she doesn't want dave to know this, or that she's happy to pay dave off, that's a last resort but already daves strategy is thwarting her.

Davy knows Sally is the best thing that's ever happened to him, she's beautiful, smart, kind... And rich. He's under enormous pressure from his immediate and extended family not to let Sally go... So he fights tooth and nail

Bearbehind · 13/10/2019 11:25

butps you are just looking incredibly foolish now.

You clearly can’t answer the actual question which says it all really

DustyDiamond · 13/10/2019 11:37

At least we can leave the thread or ignore them.

Imagine the people in rl they drone onto and try and re educate.

😱
Even trying to imagine it has brought me out in hives

Parker231 · 13/10/2019 11:38

@Burpsandrustles - your analogy doesn’t demonstrate how the EU works with rebates, trade deals, FOM, the right of veto, legislation protecting employment rights, environmental issues, security - I could go on and on.

Your comments demonstrate that you don’t understand the structure and operations of the EU.

54321go · 13/10/2019 11:39

When leavers manage to put up a comprehensive list of things that will improve for them when the UK leaves, with details as to how it will happen, and explanation as to why the EU might have prevented this in the past.
You have had 3 years to come up with such a list, why has it not been done. Remember there could have been 17 million of yiou working on the list. How lazy can you be?

lonelyplanetmum · 13/10/2019 11:48

To give some perspective to the stupid non analogy.

•Sally was not married to Dave
she was the leader of a friends with benefits club with him and 26 others.

•Sally was one of the club organisers but she has a tantrum.

•Although she was dominant committee member she wanted to be even more dominant so she stormed off.

•By being in Dave's club Sally used to get unrestricted access to a market on her doorstep worth $18.8 trillion.

• Sally expected Dave to run after her- he didn't. Largely because Dave supported Sinead who Sally has upset.

•Dave has got tired of Sally throwing her toys out of the prom and not really knowing what she wants.

•And do you know what?By virtue of geography Sally will have to stay living in her little crumbling flat next door to Dave's lovely mansion for the rest of her life.

•Other potential partners are a long way away and 80+ of them have long standing arrangements with Dave anyway.

•Dave is disappointed but will stay in the club with 26 others benefitting from the unrestricted access to a market worth $18.8 trillion plus the over 80 beneficial agreements with other places.

•Sally hopes to soon replace Dave with Don but he lives a long way away but he is a racist misogynist and has a narcissistic personality disorder. He's also only interested in Sally for what he can get out of her.