Brexit Arms - Pop Up

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Well I’m going to have a crack at this Landlady business and I’ve opened a pop up pub.

Rules are:
Anything brexit related is up for discussion and even not Brexit related if you feel the need (so if you want to discuss Haemoroids that’s ok too ).

I’m ok with a bit of arseyness (it’s an emotive subject) but if you go full monty in here I reserve the right to withhold all alcoholic beverages.

I have reserved a quiet table for MNHQ if they want to pop in for a quiet drink (Happy Hour is 6-7pm).

Haven’t properly caught up yet with today’s Brexit news yet but looks like we are finally facing end game, that said still plenty of days left for high jinks and holidays.

Anyone have any views on how they think the next few days will play out are welcome to voice here.

First drinks are on the house 🍻 Cheers

"Farage isn't an MP in WM"

I know. Hilarious isn't it!

What I'm saying is exactly what I wrote in my post. That had every mp in heart mind and soul honoured the ref and devoted themselves to getting the best deal as a united team... The UK would have fared far better than we have over the last two, three years.

Surely it doesn't need spelling out?
You don't put your house on the market and have your dh start calling up the buyer to undermine the sale price?

It's obvious surely?

I know. Hilarious isn't it!

Calling the Ref was supposed to be the undoing of Farage, quite the opposite has happened and he may still become an MP - that I find hilarious!

What I'm saying is exactly what I wrote in my post. That had every mp in heart mind and soul honoured the ref and devoted themselves to getting the best deal as a united team...

And how were any MPs except for May’s cabinet (and quite possibly not even those) involved in any of the Tory Leave plan?

If you wanted MPs to buy in to a Leave plan - then it might just have been an idea to have got them involved from Day One.

Farage just spouts bollocks whenever he opens his mouth. he is just a 'rabble rouser' with no proper plans of his on except to raise the profile of Farage.
What he says might sound nice but the reality is that there is no substance to it.
UKIP might 'sound nice being an independent country, but the reality will be that the UK will have the shit kicked out of it by the rest of the world once it leaves the 'protection' of the EU and the 'ordinary citizen trys to do battle' to trade with China and the USA etc.

First part of any plan is to decide on a destination. 'Out' and in fact 17 million versions of 'out' is not a destination.

I think you'll find that's how these things work. The end goal is a moving aim that changes with and for various reasons.

I think it's quite obvious Farage is simply devoted to leaving the eu

You don't have to like him or agree with him but it's pretty obvious that's his aim?

I’m looking forward to seeing Farage’s next annual accounts submission to Companies House.

Burp "That had every mp in heart mind and soul honoured the ref and devoted themselves to getting the best deal as a united team... The UK would have fared far better than we have over the last two, three years."

But why should they? An advisory referendum. With 30 odd %, overall, wanting to Brexit. A result that anyone with any understanding of basic economics knows will screw the country. With arch Leavers acknowledging that it might take 50 years to see any benefits. With vox poppers all over all the news outlets admitting they didn't know what the EU is and does. (Most googled term, June 24th, 2016? 'What is the EU?...'); with same vox poppers 'happy' to forego their life-saving medications to get Brexit.

The reason we haven't left yet is because our MPs are not our delegates, they represent us. And now, in the same way that a lot of casual 'Leavers' (the 'let's have 'a change' brigade...) would now not vote Leave, having been educated over the past 3 years as to what that means; jobs are being lost, the 'architects' of Leave openly admitting they lied (but do not care), knowing the likes of Mogg have bet on a collapsing economy; MPs having seen Yellowhammer; having seen the EU close ranks, not split apart as promised; having seen that Trump Means Business with the NHS, having watched sterling tank....

None of that inspired 'devotion' to such a stupid idea.

The WA is the best possible deal. It's shit. It's BRINO.

Burp : "I think you'll find that's how these things work. The end goal is a moving aim that changes with and for various reasons"

Er, no. It was never presented as a (ahem) 'moving aim'. You need to get with the program. Leave, apparently means Leave. Oh, and No Deal. Because that's what 17.4m people voted for. Apparently. These ar enot shifting goal posts. The 'aim' was to leave the EU.

Please don't obfuscate.

What I'm saying is exactly what I wrote in my post. That had every mp in heart mind and soul honoured the ref and devoted themselves to getting the best deal as a united team... The UK would have fared far better than we have over the last two, three years.

That is complete and utter deluded bollocks and the very reason for this mess.

There never was a magical deal.

If you don’t want immigrants, this is the best you can have.

So which is it?

Miljah how on earth can any predict anything before its happened.
. The vote was stay or remain.

That's clear. Next step... Fully leave but how...

I keep seeing this... What is the eu.. The most googled term... Paraded over mumsnet and I cannot fathom out why.
For instance, I'd love to say... Of course most remain voters googled what is the eu because they didn't make a considered descion and it was far far easier to go along with the status quo... And then they panicked! Hold on... What is the eu actually, yes we have grown up with it but actually what is 'it'

But how could I do that. How could I prove it was remain voters. I'd look like a really ignorant person to do that... Or a spectacular clairvoyant?

Also miljah its basic common sense that any removal is going to be tricky and a big deal.

If you cast back to

Any major historical event... The descion is made then, everything is created after. Eg Henry decides he will at whatever cost marry Ann. The next steps all fall in with that.

Bear its tricky having these discussions on the Internet. We don't know what people do, their experiences... Their interests... It doesn't matter to some degree except when I said I expect them all to work for the absolute best of this country...

You have translated that... As there is no magical deal.

There is never ever magical deals, I oboe that from my life experience. We make firm descions and then things move and change and fall into place..

As, we, go, along.

So usually we say... I want to sell my house.

I like that one. I'll put an offer in. People who have bought and sold houses know its never that easy!!

Buyers pull out, sellers pull out... Things change and move however... Usually the base line initial descion... I want to move... Doesn't change.

The really sad thing is the above nonsense actually makes perfect sense to burps 🤔

Rather like that wonderful Quitling on Brexit Time.

"I new exactly what I was voting for", followed by "Nobody knows what's going to happen".

You couldn't make it up!

Call it nonsense bear but I think you'll find common sense and history, bears.... This out 😂

I'm not following the logic Doris.

We make decisions like move house, get divorced, etc but we don't know how they will play out we just know our end goal?

I think one thing no one could have predicted was the cult like blind hold the eu has over some of our mps!!

If you want to use a house analogy, you want -

• A house without planning permission
• to be built on an area with subsidence
• out of materials that don’t exist
• in an area you can’t afford
• in a location that’s nowhere near your work place, the kids school, your family
• and all for free

And you’re so convinced all of the above can be overcome that you’ve burnt your old house down

I realise there’s literally no point in discussing this with you burps as it’s part of the Leavers parallel universe.

It’s exactly why this is all such a mess.

Well no I totally disagree with the points in your analogy.

I'd replace normal house sale with your husband having an affair with the new buyer and turning against you mid sale with the view to sell house at rock bottom prices and stay in it with his new lover...

Has mummmy undergone a name change? Burps is equally as incomprehensible.

Of course most remain voters googled what is the eu because they didn't make a considered descion and it was far far easier to go along with the status quo

Would love to see some kind of evidence of this, otherwise I’m calling bollocks.

I'd replace your analogy with a normal house sale... But as time goes on you feel something isn't right and some one somewhere is stitching you up.. But the last person you'd suspect is your dh!! Who doesn't want to sell at all!!

OK, so the analogies are making no sense now.

How about you just explain specifically how a better deal was possible given TMs red lines.

If you disagree with the red lines then I understand your point.

If you don’t then you’re just spouting ideological nonsense.

I had wondered that continuity but the spelling and grammar is better.