Brexit Arms - Pop Up

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Well I’m going to have a crack at this Landlady business and I’ve opened a pop up pub.

Rules are:
Anything brexit related is up for discussion and even not Brexit related if you feel the need (so if you want to discuss Haemoroids that’s ok too ).

I’m ok with a bit of arseyness (it’s an emotive subject) but if you go full monty in here I reserve the right to withhold all alcoholic beverages.

I have reserved a quiet table for MNHQ if they want to pop in for a quiet drink (Happy Hour is 6-7pm).

Haven’t properly caught up yet with today’s Brexit news yet but looks like we are finally facing end game, that said still plenty of days left for high jinks and holidays.

Anyone have any views on how they think the next few days will play out are welcome to voice here.

First drinks are on the house 🍻 Cheers

Everyone who has negotiated knows that walking away is the strongest position to be in.

It's unbelievable we ever ended up this deep in. It should never be this hard to leave a 'trading block'

The fact you are demonstrating there Bear is the disconnect between the UK electorate and the political class.

www.bbc.com/future/article/20171114-the-disturbing-art-of-lying-by-telling-the-truth

I agree Burps no deal should have been left on the table.

Benn act or not doesn't alter the fact that it's the A50 default position. The way things are going (and have been for sometime) it will be remain MPs that are more likely to take us over the cliff edge. They have made enough noise about a no deal, so let's see what happens when a deal is put in front of them (again).

"That, this is democracy.
Personally I think more highly of people than that no matter what their gcse are."

What? You think highly of people who clearly have no clue of what they're talking about? You basically agree with Gove's "we've had enough of experts"? I.e. you think think flat earthers are as valid as scientists. Which, frankly, makes you an idiot.

Doris.. Go and sit in the corner with a hot whisky.
Deep breaths. Its never cool to try and convince people you have more right to a vote than them. Ever...

The stools may be nailed down but fists could still fly.

@Bearbehind

gonna you are completely overreacting, as is why

I was just giving a different perspective. If that’s reacting...

I literally didn’t feel any discernible emotion at all. Perhaps I shouldn’t have used the word “arse” but that’s hardly blowing my top is it...

From the way you write and the prolific and frantic nature of your posting, it sounds like you’re the one who’s all hot under the collar.

You can dislike any brigade you like.

Personally I’m not a fan of the rude, arrogant, anxiety-driven keyboard warrior brigade. Cheers

Oh dear Burps, are you threatened who may think a bit more than you?

Sorry about that...

They may not type better though...

I.e. you think think flat earthers are as valid as scientists. Which, frankly, makes you an idiot.

Like it or not the vote of a flat earther is equal to that of a scientist.

To think it is not, frankly, makes you an idiot.

Frankly, yes, it does...

I'm re reading gone with the wind.
I'm swooning over rhett all over again

We've just driven through a burning atlanta the hero beautifully dressed.

It's the old BBC "balance" rubbish.

If one person tells you it's raining, and another person tells you it's sunny, it's not your job to report both opinions. It's your job to look out of the fucking window!

Which law is superior? The EU law that says we have to leave the EU on the 31st or the UK surrender law, that says we have to beg for an extension. Surly the EU law trumps UK law.

Boris has to obey the law and take us out of the EU on the 31st. I am sure Boris will follow the law ;) Isn't it ironic that remainers now want UK law to trump EU law.

Light me a Flaming Sambuca.

Oh for goodness sake. Some of the misperceptions or manipulations in recent posts.

• Comments about it shouldn't be this hard to leave a trading bloc? It's not rocket science why it's so hard. The main reason it is difficult is that we.happen. to .share .a. war -scarred land .border with the (very successful) trading bloc.Its not just any old border. it's a border that was the centre of 30 years of extreme conflict, a sort of war, for most of the late 20th century. A war that involved children being dragged out into the streets and shot.

That's why it's difficult.

If it was a normal border we could just shoot ourselves economically in the foot and rapidly limp off wounded and alone into the sunset.

• Comments about different legal systems trumping one another are completely flawed too. This is not rocket science either. U.K. law and EU law agree on the departure process!! The U.K. triggered Article 50 'in accordance with its own constitutional requirements'.

The UK then leaves on the specified date, unless an extension is requested and granted -as happened before the 29 March 2019 date.

Admittedly the current Tory renegades have tried to take illegal steps domestically causing litigation etc- but that is entirely triggered by their lack of a Parliamentary majority. It's internal U.K. strife and is nothing to do with the actual EU process.

It was the repeated use of the word 'frankly :that sparked off my GWTW reverie 😁.

Lonely I was referring to whole process not just the contentious border. Actually.

Mostly the obstinate eu and our remain mps.
So now we enter this tunnel! I must admit I admire barniers cool demeanour!
He won't be looking so unruffled if we do crash out however.

no deal should have been left on the table.

No deal is technically on the table still - it’s just an empty threat though and it really is only Leavers who think otherwise.

If we’d been serious about no deal we could have done it twice already.

We could have walked away at any time since but especially after BJs 2 borders proposal but no, he’s now considering lopping NI off from the rest of the UK to get the WA through.

The WA is shit and pointless way of leaving yet it’s way better than no deal so is the preferred option, even for your so called Saviour, Boris.

Everyone who has negotiated knows that walking away is the strongest position to be in

Only if by walking away, you remain in a similar position, the UK is far worse off by "walking away" as anyone who has done any real negotiate would acknowledge....

It's unbelievable we ever ended up this deep in. It should never be this hard to leave a 'trading block'

Again, simplistic, you failure to realise the situation of the UK/EU land border in NI, the politics and history.

I think its fairly obvious who are the big losers in a no-deal scenario.

Walking UK law has almost always trumped EU law, which usually to do with certain rights and standards, trying to think of an EU law which has overruled a parliamentary bill that has received royal assent...

Personally I’m not a fan of the rude, arrogant, anxiety-driven keyboard warrior brigade.

You may conclude in rude and arrogant but I’m certainly not anxiety driven.

I just really don’t see the point in arguing over whether we should use the local language word for something when everyone understands the English equivalent perfectly well and people cannot all spell / pronounce the alternative.

We generally say Mister Macron not Monsieur Macron and no one bats an eyelid about that

It would be like an episode of Only Fools and Horses if most people started dropping their own pronunciation of the relevant word in every language 😂

Well you could change the cientelle of the setablishment by enforcing a dress code.
Maybe 'gimp suits' or whatever they are, in latex. Then if tragedy should strike and someone accidentally knocks over a milkshake, then it will sponge down easily.

The WA is NOT shit and pointless, if you understand what it is. The problem being too many have no damn clue about it. It is a legally enforceable and fully researched mechanism to leave but with the accompnying politicl Document, varying 'degrees' of leave are possible. It will of course require the UK government to stop buggering around with childish 'point scoring' and telling lies.

I’d love to hear what mummmy thinks of recent developments as she’s always been so sure we’d end up with no deal yet here’s Boris doing all he can to avoid it.

54321 I said it was a shit and pointless way of leaving and I stand by that.

Why should I agree that leaving, only to be in a weaker position is anything other than shit and pointless?

I don’t doubt it is the ‘sensible’ way to leave but if the end result is worse than we have now, for no apparent benefit I’m not going to agree it’s the best choice. It is just the least worst one

It would be like an episode of Only Fools and Horses if most people started dropping their own pronunciation of the relevant word in every language

😂😂😂

Maybe 'gimp suits' or whatever they are, in latex

My days of wearing anything latex, gimp or otherwise, are well over

It will of course require the UK government to stop buggering around with childish 'point scoring' and telling lies

There in lies one of the main problems 54321go.

It is a legally enforceable and fully researched mechanism to leave well one side has certainly done their homework, not sure about the other though

well one side has certainly done their homework, not sure about the other though

Well my 2 cents worth is on the Europeans. 27 countries pretty much paeaking with one voice (maybe a small degree of dissent in a few places perhaps.

a bit like pitting a 3 year old toddler against one of the leading rugby team scrums.

The WA is a summary of the LEGAL positions so ALL negotiations now or in the future will be using it as a reference point. The UK can piss it's pants as much as it likes, or kick and scream whichever it prefers, it won't make a lot of difference.

Whether you like it or not Bear it is pretty close to fact that ongoing negotiations will be using the existing WA as a guide. The EU are not going to redo over 2 years work involving the top lawyers of 27 countries, ratified by all their governments, just to 'appease' Bojo'.

Speaking (obviously)