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Ireland and your vote.

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RuggerHug · 06/10/2019 19:37

I am genuinely interested in all opinions here and I really hope that comes across. I don't want to start arguments or stir up hatred or insults. I've been on these boards for awhile and I know I've probably been quite ranty at times. I really want to not be here, so I'd like to ask everyone who voted, leave or remain, the following and I'd really appreciate your answers/thoughts.

Did ROI and NI play a part in your decision to vote whatever way?

Did the effect of a vote either way to NI and ROI occur at all, if so how?

Since the result, did anyone have a change of heart/become more sure of their vote based on what came out regarding ROI and NI afterwards?

Have you any thoughts on how we've been during it all/how our media portrays activities in the UK(if you're aware of what is said/shown here).

Hopefully this won't come across as trying to start a fight but, in all of this, did you care about us and the fallout or did you consider it not the UKs/anyone elses problem?

For disclosure, I'm Irish, in ROI, spent a lot of time at the border/in NI before the GFA, not as much after. Anyone I know in the UK that had a vote voted remain, I know 1 Leave voter(who lives in ROI).

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

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prettybird · 10/10/2019 16:21

AuldAlliance - that particular trope has been debunked numerous times and he still tries to promulgate it.

Termination under Vienna Convention doesn't apply to self-inflicted problems. If the UK wishes to exit the GFA, it need to announce formally that it is going to do so - and take the flak consequences.

MysteryTripAgain · 10/10/2019 16:23

Then they shouldn't leave the EU without a deal

That's the crack in the legislation. Article 50 acknowledges that a no deal may occur. In which case all laws and treaties that previously existed between the EU and the member that has left cease to exist.

For clarity I am a leave with a deal supporter. As an individual I have no issues with the suggestion that NI remains in the EU customs regulations.

NI gets what they want. Rest of UK leaves the EU customs regulations and is free to pursue trade deals with non EU countries. The EU preserves the single market and averts any blame for forcing Ireland to install border controls.

If UK sees NI as a separate country how can they object to NI remaining in the customs union?

MysteryTripAgain · 10/10/2019 16:29

Termination under Vienna Convention doesn't apply to self-inflicted problems

Brexit is not self inflicted. It was sanctioned in 2009 by all EU members, Ireland included, when Article 50 was passed.

prettybird · 10/10/2019 16:33

Was someone talking Wink

No.

DuchessDumbarton · 10/10/2019 16:41

Yes Voila the spin from both sides seems to be that they can see a "pathway" forward.

itsalongwayoff · 10/10/2019 17:17

My MIL came to Northern Ireland from Co Tipperary in the 1940s after her family were threatened with being shot.
Their mother gathered her 5 children together and left their home and belongings. They got on a train and turned up at The Church of Ireland Manse in Lisburn with the clothes they stood in, where they stayed until they got a house. So works both ways Viola.

DioneTheDiabolist · 10/10/2019 17:30

If Brexit fails it will be a victory for terrorism.
Nope. If Brexit succeeds it will be a victory for terrorists. The UK born and bred terrorists in NI are ardent Leavers. Brexit will make them more powerful.

Voila212 · 10/10/2019 17:30

It's not tit for tat itsalongwayoff. A poster put up why would you not move away from the violence in NI? my point was that plenty did leave because their houses were burnt down. I was answering a question, people did leave, am I wrong?

BackInTime · 10/10/2019 17:44

Brexit is not self inflicted

Really trying not to feed the bot but really? Brexit is entirely self inflicted - that's the whole point!

MysteryTripAgain · 10/10/2019 18:01

Really trying not to feed the bot but really? Brexit is entirely self inflicted - that's the whole point!

Brexit was sanctioned by every member of the EU when they signed Article 50.

blubberyboo · 10/10/2019 18:07

Please watch this Northern Irish advert from 1993. It is very powerful.

I remember this was played almost every night in my teens. In this case in the middle of Mr Bean. Whilst the rest of the UK was watching adverts about cereals we watched this.

An advert to try and get people to report terrorism confidentially.

It will show you what the people of NI had to live with. What children had to live with.

Parents shot dead in front of young kids.
Parents imprisoned and kids visiting them jail. Maybe for murder ,gun running or conspiracy.

Tit for tat murders to avenge another murder.
People shot in their workplace
Carried down through generations with a young boy growing up to do the same thing.
Mothers like you just trying to get along with their normal day in the middle of it all.

notice the British Telecom phonebox in the advert. This happened in the UK.. not Ireland

I voted for GFA so that my children wouldn’t have to watch this

The effects still resonate today.

I was in England recently and came across the adult child of a family who have been exiled since NI since for 30 years because they gave some information to the authorities on a murder that was reported worldwide.

I know people who have had a parent shot dead in the RUC when they were tricked to attend a fake call out.

I know an ex RUC man who had to evacuate people from several bombs with moments notice sometimes grabbing babies out of cars. He now lives with tremors all the time.

My home town was bombed and destroyed

I keep saying it but the GFA was our compromise to stop this.

isabellerossignol · 10/10/2019 18:28

When I was wee, there was a girl at my school whose dad was shot dead in the hallway. Someone knocked on the door, he answered and was shot dead. She and her brother got up to see what was going on, and her mum told them not to worry and to go back to bed and try to get some sleep. There's something about that that just catches in my throat, the idea of her mum wanting to give them one last night of normality before telling them the truth in the morning.

blubberyboo · 10/10/2019 18:28

Another one starring Billy Mitchell from Eastenders ( can’t remember his real name)

blubberyboo · 10/10/2019 18:32

@isabellerossignol

Yes that incredibly heartbreaking. She knew what had happened and tried to protect them from seeing it.

My son knows a boy whose father was shot dead in a similar way in front of his wife and brothers. She was pregnant with him so he never got to meet his dad.

DioneTheDiabolist · 10/10/2019 18:43

I was playing hide and seek one evening with my friends. We heard gunfire and we all ran home. One of the boys found his father shot dead on the sofa. Loyalist paramilitaries had come in through the back door and shot him.

3 of my friends' fathers were murdered.

isabellerossignol · 10/10/2019 18:49

But we're so selfish for not wanting the same for our kids, eh? Sad

IvinghoeBeacon · 10/10/2019 19:03

Re self infliction. The point of the whole Vienna convention distraction thing is that trashing the GFA through the UK choosing a no deal brexit is self inflicted

EmeraldShamrock · 10/10/2019 19:41

@blubberyboo Those adverts brought back memories. Sad

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RuggerHug · 10/10/2019 19:53

blubberyboo I'd forgotten/blocked out that ad, soon as it started I remembered it all again. Always hated that song and pretty sure that ad is why😢

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jasjas1973 · 10/10/2019 20:50

Yes Voila the spin from both sides seems to be that they can see a "pathway" forward

Could be that both sides are trying to avoid being blamed for any failure?
Hence all very keen to talk until the very last possible moment.

bellinisurge · 10/10/2019 21:27

That's a possibility @jasjas1973 . And Varadkar is backing Johnson (pleasingly) into a corner by making positive comments about it.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/10/2019 09:20

the UK choosing a no deal brexit is self inflicted

Merkels suggestion of NI remaining in the EU customs union works for me as an individual, but can't see it passing through parliament. The following groups will vote against any form of Withdrawal Agreement:

Labour as they want brexit cancelled

LibDems as they want brexit cancelled

SNP as they want brexit cancelled

DUP as border in Irish sea breaks the GFA principle of mutual consent.

If all proposed Withdrawal Agreements are voted down by remain and cancel brexit MPs, does that not force a no deal scenario?

AnneElliott · 11/10/2019 09:53

I'd be interested to hear the reasons from a NI resident that voted leave.

Haven't read the entire thread yet so not sure if anyone fits that bill, but I believe 44% of those that voted in the referendum in NI voted leave do it would be interesting to hear their perspective.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/10/2019 10:05

I'd be interested to hear the reasons from a NI resident that voted leave

One poster advised that they were told they would go to hell if they didn't vote leave and believed it!

Whoseagooddoggiethen · 11/10/2019 10:07

Dying to hear this alleged deal but convinced there wasnt one and Leo was just being smug cos he knows Bojo will show himself up again. Leo grinning means nothing, hes a smiley dude at the best of times, doesnt mean he was happy with the meeting!