Ireland and your vote.

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I am genuinely interested in all opinions here and I really hope that comes across. I don't want to start arguments or stir up hatred or insults. I've been on these boards for awhile and I know I've probably been quite ranty at times. I really want to not be here, so I'd like to ask everyone who voted, leave or remain, the following and I'd really appreciate your answers/thoughts.

Did ROI and NI play a part in your decision to vote whatever way?

Did the effect of a vote either way to NI and ROI occur at all, if so how?

Since the result, did anyone have a change of heart/become more sure of their vote based on what came out regarding ROI and NI afterwards?

Have you any thoughts on how we've been during it all/how our media portrays activities in the UK(if you're aware of what is said/shown here).

Hopefully this won't come across as trying to start a fight but, in all of this, did you care about us and the fallout or did you consider it not the UKs/anyone elses problem?

For disclosure, I'm Irish, in ROI, spent a lot of time at the border/in NI before the GFA, not as much after. Anyone I know in the UK that had a vote voted remain, I know 1 Leave voter(who lives in ROI).

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

Do you know what the English did to the Irish?

Yes we do.

Think the point Fatsheda was trying to make was when is is Ireland going to move on and live forward.

Massive attrocites occurred during WWII, but the world seemed to move on soon afterwards. US nuked Japan, but they are big trade partners. Germany tried twice to take over the World and exterminated 6 million in the process. However, they trade with many countries around the world. Many of which they tried to take over in both WWI and WWII.

I cannot comprehend living in a dangerous place with shootings and bombings when a safer country was hours away.

Because relocating is too expensive for many people to afford.

Because people had family responsibilities that kept them close to home eg elderly relatives, or family businesses, such as farms, that they couldn't relocate.

Because people who went to England were often treated as if they were terrorists themselves

Because N Ireland was home and people felt they didn't want to be forced from their homes.

Those are just a few reasons but there are plenty more

Sometimes you have to let dickheads condemn themselves out their own mouths.

Not learning about it at school is no fucking excuse

School syllabus are set by authorities, not the pupils.

“Think the point Fatsheda was trying to make was when is is Ireland going to move on and live forward.“

No, the point that was missed is that the GFA is the island of Ireland moving on. Ireland hasn’t refused to trade with the UK. Stop making false analogies.

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Good old victim blaming . If life is tough because of terrorists, then it's your fault because you could have moved to another country

Numpties are on parade today.

When I said they blame the English I meant they blame the English ie England, not the U.K.

People seem to know that Scotland is in the UK without learning about it at school.

Several possibilities for that.

When football scores called out on Saturday afternoon the Scottish results were given too.

A lot more people from England and Wales will have visited Scotland than the island of Ireland as more easy. No ferries or flights required.

High profile movies such as Braveheart help too. Michael Collins was a better movie, but did not receive the same marketing.

But when they don't know that N Ireland is in the UK its not their fault because they didn't learn it at school

Nobody taught it as recently as 2016. Remain campaign leaflet produced by UK government at a cost of £9 million said nothing about NI or the GFA. So even remain campaign didn't think it was worth bringing to voters attention.

Perhaps the numpties could have a party together.

Yes in fact a lot of Irish did move from NI, there were refugee camps in the republic for families who had to leave their home due to their homes being burned down. They were later renowned but why should people have to move from their homes, from their work, from their families and their jobs?

Rehoused.!!

No, the point that was missed is that the GFA is the island of Ireland moving on

1998 - GFA

2009 - Article 50 signed by all EU members

2016 - Result of the referendum was to leave the EU. As result the remain campaign leaflet said would be implemented.

Some big changes have occurred since GFA signed.

when is is Ireland going to move on and live forward.

Ireland and NI moved on, made huge compromises and lived forward with the GFA.
They are being dragged back into the past, a past created by English colonialism, by English Brexiters.

Some big changes have occurred since GFA signed.
None of which invalidate it; they mean extra care is needed to ensure the GFA is protected despite those changes.

It’s pretty clear that it’s the leave camp who haven’t committed themselves to leaving...

They are being dragged back into the past, a past created by English colonialism, by English Brexiters

Each of the four members of the UK has leave voters, NI included.

None of which invalidate it.

Has been covered in other threads, but there is a powerful argument that GFA becomes defunct in accordance with the Vienna Convention in the event either Ireland or the UK leaves the EU without a deal.

Going forward? That's what we are doing. Britain ripping up the Good Friday agreement is going backwards. HTH.

I was going to explain about refugees coming to the Republic but I see a pp has beaten me to it😁

England" "Why can't NI and Ireland move on?"
NI/IReland: :Ok, so we will. Here we did the GFA. Gosh it is working. So glad we all moved on."
England: "We are negating the terms of the GFA"
NI/IReland :Gosh that is a big problem, things might get very bad"
England: "Oh for god's sake why can't NI and Ireland move on?"

You couldn't make up the level of ignorance on this (and every other Brexit/NI) thread.

Has been covered in other threads, but there is a powerful argument that GFA becomes defunct in accordance with the Vienna Convention in the event either Ireland or the UK leaves the EU without a deal.

Then they shouldn't leave the EU without a deal.

NI and Ireland have moved on, we are perfectly happy to maintain the status quo of peace and stability provided by the GFA. The British government has a responsibility to its citizens in NI not to put that at risk, not to risk a return to violence by breaking an international peace agreement. This is not about 'giving in to terrorists' it is about trust and the British government keeping their word because by in large the terrorists have kept their side of the deal, something which we all thought was impossible.

To be fair, most of the ignorance is promulgated by a single bot man from many thousands of miles away.

It's just occasionally that he gets a small amount of support for what I presume is his continued tripe (I no longer read his posts ).

Many more people are now educated about the tremendous achievement and (still) fragile peace that the GFA brought about, even if they didn't know enough before the Referendum for it to influence their vote (in large part because anyone who tried to raise it was shouted down as promoting "Project Fear").

Some of those have been so brainwashed that they still want Brexit at any cost, some are just shits and don't care even when it's drawn to their attention - but some now do care - and it's those that we need to reach out to (to use an overused cliché ) to say its ok for you to change your mind because you now understand the consequences.

Well Leo and Boris's meeting seems to have gone well, let's hope that's a positive sigh.