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Ireland and your vote.

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RuggerHug · 06/10/2019 19:37

I am genuinely interested in all opinions here and I really hope that comes across. I don't want to start arguments or stir up hatred or insults. I've been on these boards for awhile and I know I've probably been quite ranty at times. I really want to not be here, so I'd like to ask everyone who voted, leave or remain, the following and I'd really appreciate your answers/thoughts.

Did ROI and NI play a part in your decision to vote whatever way?

Did the effect of a vote either way to NI and ROI occur at all, if so how?

Since the result, did anyone have a change of heart/become more sure of their vote based on what came out regarding ROI and NI afterwards?

Have you any thoughts on how we've been during it all/how our media portrays activities in the UK(if you're aware of what is said/shown here).

Hopefully this won't come across as trying to start a fight but, in all of this, did you care about us and the fallout or did you consider it not the UKs/anyone elses problem?

For disclosure, I'm Irish, in ROI, spent a lot of time at the border/in NI before the GFA, not as much after. Anyone I know in the UK that had a vote voted remain, I know 1 Leave voter(who lives in ROI).

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

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RuggerHug · 10/10/2019 07:03

bellinisurge the 'lunch date' being announced on the 6.01 news here last night was a wonderful example of 2 people discussing something,knowing they're being watched and doing everything in their power not to roll their eyes. I doubt anything will come from it besides BJ saying 'robust discussion' and Leo saying a polite 'look, we knew it was balls but I had to hear him out, there's nothing new'.

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bellinisurge · 10/10/2019 07:11

Utterly agree @RuggerHug . EU leaders need to show they are listening and providing opportunities for discussion. Even if all they are hearing is bollocks.

Mistigri · 10/10/2019 07:29

This is very good, from Fintan O'Toole. It gets to the heart of the contradictions in the whole Brexit project.

Brexit itself is predicated on the idea that a technocratic discourse is entirely inadequate to the task of understanding how people feel about who they are and where they belong. Its bogeymen are faceless bureaucrats in Brussels who can never appreciate the importance of identity and history to the English. Yet the Irish are invited by the very same people to forget history and identity, to just lie back and think of “maximum facilitation”.

DarlingNikita · 10/10/2019 13:32

NI and Ireland should thrash out some sort of agreement themselves

God that is brilliant. Wish someone had thought of that before. Wait --- they did! It is called the Good Friday Agreement.

Grin

I shouldn't laugh really. It's fucking tragic the level of ignorance.

HollyCarrot · 10/10/2019 13:55

I watched the Patrick kielty doc this morning. People talking about their loved ones being killed. And that sort of ignorant glib response would just boil your piss. I genuinely can't understand how people don't understand the importance of the GFA for Ireland and UK.

Fatshedra · 10/10/2019 14:35

Well, it's a bit rich that the English are to blame for Irish and northern Irish wanting to kill each other. Do they have no responsibility? What went on in NI was horrific, but not their fault?
They're just going to return to kidnapping, murder, knee capping, bombing are they.
I suppose we don't know and they could but it's the 21st century not medieval times, supposedly modern countries with international outlooks. Who are they kidding.

LaurieMarlow · 10/10/2019 14:41

Well, it's a bit rich that the English are to blame for Irish and northern Irish wanting to kill each other. Do they have no responsibility? What went on in NI was horrific, but not their fault?

Have you stopped to think at all about the situation of a NI nationalist?

Taken over by an alien party, treated dreadfully by them for centuries.

Then the GFA comes along and at least allows you to identify with whatever nationality they like, giving them hope for the future.

And that’s all going to be taken away because the brits couldn’t be fucked thinking through the implications of the brexit they supposedly wanted.

bellinisurge · 10/10/2019 14:47

I can only assume posters like @Fatshedra are too young to remember life before GFA or the compromise and hard work that got us all there.
Imagine the scenario @Fatshedra , you get your Brexit, all seems fine, then 20 years later someone comes and imposes the EU on you that you didn't vote for. It's kinda like that.

HollyCarrot · 10/10/2019 14:50

You can't argue with stupid 🙄

Voila212 · 10/10/2019 14:56

I was watching the BBC documentary spotlight and they were interviewing people who witnessed the killing of a parent in their home when they were young. It hit me really hard, can you imagine being 6 or 7, getting ready for bed when gun men barge in and shoot your father in front of you. How do live after watching that. There were grown men and women crying as they relived the memory.

Fatshedra · 10/10/2019 14:58

I'm not religious and I'm not particularly patriotic so I cannot comprehend living in a dangerous place with shootings and bombings when a safer country was hours away.

MysteryTripAgain · 10/10/2019 15:00

You can't argue with stupid

The suggestion that voters (all 45 million people) should be examined on their knowledge of NI and GFA before they are allowed to vote falls into that category.

IvinghoeBeacon · 10/10/2019 15:01

Hmm yeah a “safer country” that wasn’t your home, and that discriminated against you

Do you know what the English did to the Irish?

pallisers · 10/10/2019 15:01

Well, it's a bit rich that the English are to blame for Irish and northern Irish wanting to kill each other. Do they have no responsibility? What went on in NI was horrific, but not their fault?

I take it they don't teach history in English schools anymore. That is probably a mistake.

bellinisurge · 10/10/2019 15:03

It was the same country

MysteryTripAgain · 10/10/2019 15:08

I take it they don't teach history in English schools anymore. That is probably a mistake

History I learnt in the 70s was:

The Tudors
Vikings
Lief Erricson
Lord Shaftsbury

No mention of any Irish history. Not even the potato famine of 1845-1850.

bellinisurge · 10/10/2019 15:09

NI is the UK. It's the same country. That's kind of what it's all about

bellinisurge · 10/10/2019 15:09

Not learning about it at school is no fucking excuse.

BackInTime · 10/10/2019 15:10

Well, it's a bit rich that the English are to blame for Irish and northern Irish wanting to kill each other. Do they have no responsibility? What went on in NI was horrific, but not their fault?

Are you for real?

IvinghoeBeacon · 10/10/2019 15:10

It is legitimate to refer to constituent countries of the UK

IvinghoeBeacon · 10/10/2019 15:11

But I agree that that wasn’t the spirit of the comment

isabellerossignol · 10/10/2019 15:11

People seem to know that Scotland is in the UK without learning about it at school. But when they don't know that N Ireland is in the UK its not their fault because they didn't learn it at school.

Fatshedra · 10/10/2019 15:18

Terrorism is the elephant in the room.
If Brexit fails it will be a victory for terrorism.

IvinghoeBeacon · 10/10/2019 15:18

When we went to register the birth of my son there was a lovely poster on the registrar’s wall with rings to show GB, UK, British isles, the legal jurisdictions etc. My husband wanted a copy for his classroom wall (he is a history teacher, and he does teach the history of GB and the island of Ireland, as well as other British colonial history (not in a positive light), so perhaps younger people may be less able to use the excuse of not being taught it at school)

bellinisurge · 10/10/2019 15:19

@Fatshedra that would be the Brexiteer violence we are threatened with