Ireland and your vote.

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I am genuinely interested in all opinions here and I really hope that comes across. I don't want to start arguments or stir up hatred or insults. I've been on these boards for awhile and I know I've probably been quite ranty at times. I really want to not be here, so I'd like to ask everyone who voted, leave or remain, the following and I'd really appreciate your answers/thoughts.

Did ROI and NI play a part in your decision to vote whatever way?

Did the effect of a vote either way to NI and ROI occur at all, if so how?

Since the result, did anyone have a change of heart/become more sure of their vote based on what came out regarding ROI and NI afterwards?

Have you any thoughts on how we've been during it all/how our media portrays activities in the UK(if you're aware of what is said/shown here).

Hopefully this won't come across as trying to start a fight but, in all of this, did you care about us and the fallout or did you consider it not the UKs/anyone elses problem?

For disclosure, I'm Irish, in ROI, spent a lot of time at the border/in NI before the GFA, not as much after. Anyone I know in the UK that had a vote voted remain, I know 1 Leave voter(who lives in ROI).

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

I no longer read his posts (and I am sure that there are many others who also scroll past as soon as they see the name).

If he's being paid by the useless word, then he's increasingly bad value

I'm sure there will be a name change soon - but that particular programme style is very easy to spot and ignore

Thanks again to everyone for replying. I deliberately didn't ask how anyone voted because I didn't want to lead into anything else. Just what you all thought before and after the vote about us and the effect it would have.

I honestly amn't angry or anything at anyone who said they didn't think anything of us because I don't think in most cases it was out of cruelty or not caring. It just wasn't seriously put forward by those running the campaign and if NI and ROI were never really on someone radar they can't be expected to be divinely inspired.

I also agree that one amadán is best left to cúinis. 😉

"he's a right amadán "was one of my late mum's favourite expressions. Thanks for sparking a lovely memory.

EU pretends they are GFA supporters, but they only say that because they want Brexit to be cancelled.

Yes, all that 1.3 billion euro of EU money spent on peacebuilding programmes in NI, long before a Brexit referendum was a twinkle in David Cameron’s eye, all so that the EU could pretend to support the GFA. Wise up

Glad I could bellinisurge 😀

There was a huge evangelical church, possibly more than one, preaching that their congregation must vote for leave because it was all foretold in the bible and God's judgement would be upon anyone who voted remain. So, in short, I know an awful lot of people who voted leave because they believe they will go to hell otherwise.

I made the mistake of going down that rabbit hole on google. I hadn't actually realised that people believed this. It does however explain a lot when it comes to some leavers that I know.

I'm in ROI and here Sinn Fein are very anti EU, excuse my ignorance on their NI position coming up to the 2016 referendum, but maybe their socialist leanings and hence followers, may also explain some of the Leave votes?

Atholl's posts make me sad, but it's very honest. When you read the stark reality of it you realise the enormity of the apathy to Northern Ireland and of course to current affairs in general.

Atholl's posts make me sad, but it's very honest

Sorry. A quick poll in our house reveals that nobody, regardless of whether they voted remain or leave, thought about NI. The issues in relation to Brexit really weren’t publicised at the time. In fact none of them really know much about the situation in NI at all.

Truthfully I think a lot of people go to work, pay the bills, do the laundry, bath the kids, and don’t think about much beyond what to watch on telly tonight and whether they might get out for a few pints on Saturday.

It's all academic now because everything is fucked, I'm afraid.

That's part of why I asked these questions. I know not everyone had NI and ROI in their minds when deciding how to vote, for whatever reason. I don't have any anger towards them or disappointment in them if they didn't. No one knows everything about everything, no one knows everything about everyone. I'd rather have a polite chat as it was about it all and understand.

I really appreciate all sincere responses, either saying;

yes, we cared and thought about you/considered it or

no, it didn't enter my mind or concern me.

No it didn't concern me is very different to 'I knew and didn't give a shit, fuck you all'.

"I didn't know, I believed everyone who said it would be ok, I did the best with the knowledge I had at the time making the decision."

I could never be angry or hate someone who said that, no matter what happens.

Again, thank you to everyone responding, I didn't think there would be this many answers but I'm very glad I asked. As was said by a wiser poster than me upthread, can we please not sidetrack because alot of the messages, reasons and stories shared are important to read for everyone, even if they don't respond. Sharing our opinions and thoughts,no matter how different, politely is always a good thing. Much better than arguing and tearing each other apart.

Truthfully I think a lot of people go to work, pay the bills, do the laundry, bath the kids, and don’t think about much beyond what to watch on telly tonight and whether they might get out for a few pints on Saturday

Exactly. People, when they vote, place their own; needs, priorities and desires first. Very few, if any at all, will sacrifice their own priorities in favour of others.

There are about 180,000 casualties, of which 2,000 are fatal, on UK roads every year. However, nobody has suggested that vehicles should be banned.

Yes because one off tragic traffic accidents are exactly the same as the NI experience of the Troubles.

Morning Bellini.

I suppose the positive point is that callousness towards the people of NI will in the long run not help the Brexit campaign, not least because in a post-Brexit world all the questions of cooperation with a more powerful and larger neighbour will still remain to be answered.

People attempt to take measures to minimise the consequences of traffic accidents: seatbelt legislation, speed limits, road design, care safety technology, penalties for those who do not use due caution, etc.

The same attitude should apply with regard to NI and Brexit, with bells on.

Truthfully I think a lot of people go to work, pay the bills, do the laundry, bath the kids, and don’t think about much beyond what to watch on telly tonight and whether they might get out for a few pints on Saturday

This is why asking a simplistic binary question about a hugely complex issue, in a referendum, should not be possible.

So Irish terrorists get to call the shots!
If Ireland don't get what they want some of them will get guns and start shooting N Irish people in the back, in the knee if they think they have passed on info to the English / N Isirs, plant bombs in Britain and kill and maim innocent people.
Likewise Northern Irish will start shooting Iriss people in the back etc ... you get my drift.
I think if a small population country like Ireland or N Ireland can let killers make their laws and foist their laws onto us to stop their terrorists we are in a bad situation.
What other freedoms do the Irish and N Irish think it's acceptable to make people give up?

Ah, Fat, but you can't use that argument since the Chairman of the Tory Party (the law and order party, remember?) argued that we must have Brexit or Brexit terrorists will turn violent.

There was discussion on MN about NI border issues prior the vote. I remember because I hadn't considered it until then. But really, who cares at what point people became aware? If we break the GFA it is a massive problem and an unforgivable betrayal.

The question of kicking the terrorists out of decision making was fixed by the GFA.

What other freedoms do the Irish and N Irish think it's acceptable to make people give up?

Well that's ironic. Growing up in N Ireland I didn't have the freedom to go shopping without having my bag searched. In fact, I didn't have the freedom to do a lot of things that people elsewhere take for granted, because there was always an underlying fear that you might not come back.

When I learnt to drive I didn't even have the freedom to visit my friends without carrying ID and being stopped at checkpoints by the army and asked where I was going, who I was visiting, how I knew them etc.

And within the Brexit discussions, at one stage some people were suggesting that I should be forced to have a passport to cross the Irish Sea, even though I am a resident of the UK, born in the UK, pay my taxes in the UK. Right here on mumsnet I was told I was being hysterical and overly dramatic when I said that I thought that would be a huge infringement on my freedom. Imagine everyone in Manchester needing a passport to visit Liverpool. But no, apparently that's different.

You haven't a clue about freedom being curtailed, you really don't. Unless you're going to drip feed and say that actually you grew up in East Germany or something.

Sorry Fat, you can't walk away from the GFA that brought peace and stability to a U.K. region just because it doesn't suit anymore. To remind you again NI is part of the UK.... So please don't come on here stating if Ireland doesn't get what it wants. The EU and the Taoiseach are stating that having a border in Ireland will damage the GFA and risk peace on the island of Ireland. No one is stopping you from leaving the EU but the way you leave shouldn't risk one life on the island of Ireland. Maybe if the UK hadn't. 'foisted ' themselves and their laws on Ireland for centuries you wouldn't be in this mess. Just because a country is small doesn't give ye the right to trample all over it to get what ye want, it was that mentality that caused the problems in the first place.
And another point Boris agreement doesn't work for Ireland, yes there is a risk of violence but it causes major economic issues and instability for businesses. It also gives one party in NI a final veto on whether NI remain in the single market every 4 years, which causes more uncertainty for businesses in Ireland. So what we should just take a deal that potentially wreck our economy, return violence to a U.K. region and return borders to Ireland destroying connections between North and South just to suit the uk. What's appalling is that you really don't give a shit about your fellow BRITISH people in NI.

But we must have freedom across an Eu border it seems. In NI you should have freedom to go anywhere in the U.K. - no probs,

It’s really interesting how there is all this harking back to UK history wrt two world wars etc, but conveniently forgetting that the GFA was required to bring a situation that was caused by the British to some sort of resolution. Other aspects of history beyond the world wars are important

No fat it's an British border in Ireland that the GFA removed but Brexit wants to return.

Trump moved the American Embassy to Jerusalem despite warnings of violent reprisals from Palestinians. Incredibly he did it and no wars broke out.
I feel terrorists are better surveilled and tracked than in the past- have things not moved on in NI and Ireland.
As I said terrorists are holding guns to everyone's heads.
NI and Ireland should thrash out some sort of agreement themselves. Though I spose Sinn Fein will just keep up their refusal to engage. But that is a party people voted for knowing they won't engage. That's their decision.