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Westminstenders: The Slow No

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RedToothBrush · 03/10/2019 07:38

Have to make this quick.

Johnson has made an 'offer' to the EU. Let's stress this isn't a deal because they haven't agreed.

The EU have made kind noises about it but will say no thanks.

The UK are expecting this, and despite what's been said apparently are expecting more negotiation on this.

The DUP and the ERG seem to be on board with the proposal meaning in theory Johnson might have numbers to get through parliament. Except its not a deal so this is currently meaningless.

Parliament is prorogued again from next week with the Queen's Speech the following week.

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DGRossetti · 06/10/2019 13:18

In good news #FilthyPieceofToerag is now trending second on twitter.

Cue a LauraK cringefest, where the Blond Bombshell reveals his new hobby of tiedying old socks - he jokingly calls toerags - for relaxation ...

Icantreachthepretzels · 06/10/2019 13:23

There would have to be a personal agreements with individual labour MPs long before it got anywhere near whipping stage. The fact that there are labour MPs willing to follow someone else will be what makes Corbyn climb down. That has to be sorted long before Corbyn then tells his MPs what to do. This has to be agreed before it gets anywhere near the HoC

And before we even get to labour is there a named person who has already sounded out all the other groups?

If not - Corbyn is not being unreasonable.

WhatwouldScoobyDoo · 06/10/2019 13:23

Love the poem, red - I heard the tune straight away too Grin

NoWordForFluffy · 06/10/2019 13:25

He's a Barrister, DGR, so it's the Bar Council for him. Lawyers are governed by the SRA (Solicitors' Regulation Authority). They're the ones who'll call you to a hearing and strike you off!

And yes, it's amazing how many clients don't appreciate that it really isn't their choice sometimes as to what happens. I'm not misleading or lying to the Court for you, not a bloody chance in hell!

DGRossetti · 06/10/2019 13:26

#FilthyPieceofToerag

The fact it's been "allowed" to go viral speaks volumes. Where are Boris guardian internet angels ? (Is it a public holiday in Russia, by any chance ?)

DGRossetti · 06/10/2019 13:28

And yes, it's amazing how many clients don't appreciate that it really isn't their choice sometimes as to what happens. I'm not misleading or lying to the Court for you, not a bloody chance in hell!

Clearly they never read Rumpole. But then literacy tends not to be the average criminals strong point.

Ellie56 · 06/10/2019 13:32

"Filthy piece of tow rag" Grin Grin

I wonder if she is related to Brenda from Bristol?

NoWordForFluffy · 06/10/2019 13:33

Civil clients don't get it either. And they're not immune from wanting to lie if they think it'll help them win!

And, my mistake, it's the Bar Standards Board who'd sort an errant Barrister out. 😁

borntobequiet · 06/10/2019 13:41

I expect we will all be reduced to toe rags if there is a socks shortage as a result of Brexit.

GeistohneGrenzen · 06/10/2019 14:18

prettybird the only way I can find to get rid of your dad's dratted earworm is to substitute 'che sera sera' which is almost as bad when you think of it, but it is vastly more soothing Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2019 15:09

Maybe this should become the new National Anthem:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=cem38_KjipU

BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2019 15:36

Corbyn should whip his 247 MPs to support someone else ?
Or Swinson could whip her 18 MPs to support him ?

Neither would give a majority, but at least the leader of 247 MPs is conventionally the first choice to be asked to see if he can gain the confidence of a majority.
A leader who was elected by far more membership votes than any of the party leaders

The problem is that Labour know what happened the last time they put country before party to sort out a Tory mess:

when Brown & Scottish Labour helped out Cameron on the Indie Ref

  • Labour suffered the electoral consequences; the Tories not much

If Corbyn steps aside, the Tory GE campaign can use this, that even his MPs preferred someone else
To avoid this, he would have to step down as leader and his hard left faction would lose much influence

Corbyn doesn't have the motivation to sacrifice himself, his party and his wing of the party

  • He is a Lexiter, unlike the Remainers who make up 90% of the Opposition
  • He wants to smash the Thatcherite / neoliberal legacy and replace it with a socialist one - a No Deal disaster provides the opportunity

He'll only stand aside / down if at 70 he really has had enough of the pressure and wants to retire.
No sign yet of this atm.

The other path to avoiding No Deal - still only low probability -
lies in the hands of those Tories, including even some anonymous Cabinet ministers, who say if it comes down to the final few days, then they won't allow No Deal
reports are that they will then try to force through the WA

In Germany and in the reports we get from Brussels, No Deal is thought the most likely outcome,
even if delayed until after a GE or a January / March extension.

That's because the HoC still cannot decide on any available option
Voting for the BJ option is regarded as just posing, in the No Deal blame game

BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2019 15:55

LBCC@LBC*

Lord Heseltine was "stupefied" by the suggestion in the Sunday Times that Boris Johnson might 'dare the Queen to sack him' rather than resign.

He said it "crosses the threshold of insanity".

https://amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/andrew-castle/lord-heseltine-stupefied-boris-johnson-leave/?

Andrew Castle asked: "Where does this come from?"

Heseltine responded: "Where does any of this come from? Who is running the country?

He continued:
"What this really means is that No 10, a defeated prime minister,
is going to take on the courts,
he's going to take on Parliament,
he's going to take on the police,
he's going to defy the constitution and, of course, in the context,
he's going to involve the Queen in a constitutional row.

The like of which none of us have ever dreamt of seeing."

He said that it has "come from the control centre behind the Boris machine".

Ellie56 · 06/10/2019 15:56

They all need bloody whipping to beat some sense into them. Angry

I don't care who's in bloody charge - just collectively get your act together, sort Bozo the clown out and send him packing, then either revoke, start talking to the EU constructively or pass May's WA! Angry Angry

BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2019 15:59

Lewis Goodall@lewisgoodall

Lib Dems to Labour= you’d rather have no deal than a GNU

Labour to Lib Dems= you’d rather have no deal than us

Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.
Each time, apparently without irony, that they’re each accusing the other of exactly what they’re guilty of.
And they’re both right.

Both have political priorities/incentives > Brexit.
But they both have to desperately pretend they don’t

Some truth on both sides

  1. LDs/GNU types seem to forget relative size of power blocs.
    They forget there is only GNU because Lab is providing nearly all the votes.
    Not unreasonable to expect Lab Leader to lead it.

  2. Swinson is right to say numbers probably aren’t there for JC

But Swinson undermined herself/LDs by setting herself against Corbyn so much from the beginning.
SNP/Green position was savvier.

Or rather, the SNP/Green/Plaid position was more intellectually consistent with the idea that for them, Brexit was the greatest evil.

Swinson position implies Brexit is great evil but potentially not as great as Corbyn govt. which is fine.
But seems right to articulate it.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2019 16:07

Chris Gile@ChrisGiles
......
UK economy has underperformed since 2016 vote

The scale of the underperformance (if you do fancy stuff) is about the amount shown here - 2-3% of national income.

How big is that?

About the size of the lies on two Boris buses
......
It was this guy who's responsible (who often gets on the telly) - Patrick Minford
and these are the forecasts now deleted from the Economists for Brexit website

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prettybird · 06/10/2019 16:18

Interesting article: without Beeching, there might not have been a vote for Brexit Shock It helped drive the inequality and the sense of "being left behind" amongst a section of the electorate who blamed the EU rather than the WM Government for its deliberate policy Confused

www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/06/without-the-beeching-report-there-might-not-have-been-brexit

BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2019 16:33

'Devoted' Windrush sisters face separation because of birth dates

More human misery caused by heartless & incompetent govts

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/06/devoted-windrush-sisters-face-separation-birth-dates

prettybird · 06/10/2019 16:35

This is not strictly Brexit related - but you could say that it does have a link as Finland currently holds the presidency of the EU Council Wink

All I can say is...... ouch Grin

https://www.facebook.com/1003869011/posts/10218608187248240?sfns=mo

ListeningQuietly · 06/10/2019 16:37

Farage as a Commissioner
YES PLEASE - Bring it on.
I am utterly serious.
The lazy bastard would have to turn up for work at the EU every day
He would have to agree briefing papers with EU civil servants every day
And if he did not obey EU protocols he could be shunted aside with full permission.
I give him two weeks
Its the best idea to hamstring Farrige I've EVER heard.

Ellie56 · 06/10/2019 17:19

I wish Farage would just fuck off. It was his bloody UKIP party that started David Cameron and his stupid referendum off. Angry

JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/10/2019 17:26

It was his bloody UKIP party that started David Cameron and his stupid referendum off.

For all of Camerons failures I think this 1 can be placed at the feet of the BBC who gave Farrage a legitmate, trusted platform to spout his dog whistle xenophobic shite

BestIsWest · 06/10/2019 17:27

I wish Farage would fuck off too but Europe has been tearing the Tories apart for decades.

54321go · 06/10/2019 17:46

Europe has been tearing the Tories apart for decades.

No, not really. Sir Ivan Rogers commented that it had become 'policy' for the UK government to be as unhelpful and awkward in the EU for the last 10 years or more. If the UK want to just be a bunch of twats then you can hardly blame the EU for being a bit cool towards the UK.

Since the UK policy for the lat 3 years, since the vote, has to be as nasty and disrespectful as posible, the UK can look forward to some really tough negotiations, going forward. The disrespect shown by the UK to the Japanese trade delegations won't play well(for the UK) in future. When you want a loan from your bank manager, you don't start by punching them in the face and insulting them, if you want to get anything like a decent deal. While there may be an element of bullsh&t around international diplomacy, you at least have to play the game especially with the world watching. Farage is just an arse with verbal incontinence.

ContinuityError · 06/10/2019 17:59

Farage as a Commissioner

Unlikely that his nomination would be accepted - as President Elect Von der Leyen can reject it.

And if it got to the point where the UK could veto the budget, then the current budget rules continue to apply.

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