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Westminstenders: The Slow No

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RedToothBrush · 03/10/2019 07:38

Have to make this quick.

Johnson has made an 'offer' to the EU. Let's stress this isn't a deal because they haven't agreed.

The EU have made kind noises about it but will say no thanks.

The UK are expecting this, and despite what's been said apparently are expecting more negotiation on this.

The DUP and the ERG seem to be on board with the proposal meaning in theory Johnson might have numbers to get through parliament. Except its not a deal so this is currently meaningless.

Parliament is prorogued again from next week with the Queen's Speech the following week.

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RedToothBrush · 06/10/2019 11:19

Jim Pickard@pickardje
Jacob Rees-Mogg and his business partner were negotiating to sell their fund management company to an American group for up to £100m during the summer before talks collapsed after objections from colleagues.

Scoop by me and @OwenWalker0

amp.ft.com/content/c3918a70-e6a6-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc?__twitter_impression=true
Jacob Rees-Mogg planned to sell Somerset Capital to US group
Colleagues at the fund manager baulked at prospect of deal during run-up to Brexit

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RedToothBrush · 06/10/2019 11:20

Jim Pickard@pickardje
well I didn’t expect this reaction in the comments section

This poem is epic!

Westminstenders: The Slow No
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RedToothBrush · 06/10/2019 11:22

Dam it, its posted in wrong order.

First one is obvious, second starts 'how else I am to criticise' and last starts 'I lack the base ability'

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BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2019 11:24

"Jo Maugham has tweeted that disrupting the business of the EU (such as vetoing the budget) is a non-starter:
Such conduct would breach the Benn Act"

NO and the EU know this
Hence why the EU will limit the extension to the date after which they need to debate and approve the new 7-year budget.

At most the Benn Bill stops overt actions before an extension, but not even any of the rightwing media threating this
As soon as an extension starts, the EU expect the UK govt to be disruptive, unless / until replaced

Especially if the Tories win a GE, disruption would be the obvious way to force the EU to change any signed extension agreement and them leave immediately.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2019 11:27

"Thereby even further alienating the very people we want to negotiate a favourable trade deal with"

They don't care
Tory strategy since Cameron became PM in 2010 was to attack the EU
The May and now BJ govts have massively ramped it up

BJ has no strategy other than blaming the EU in advance for the disaster that he and the Tory party plan to unleash on the UK

prettybird · 06/10/2019 11:34

Once the hedge funders have taken their spoils, they don't care what's left Angry

Indeed, the worse it gets, the better for them as they'll then be able to pick off more from the carcass Sad

PerkingFaintly · 06/10/2019 11:37

Ha, I heard that in the tune of Modern Major-General even before seeing the last pic! Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2019 11:39

It would be praiseworthy if Corbyn / Labour put country before party to rescue the country from the Tory Nihilist Brexit Project

It would be praiseworthy if the ex-Tories could forget they are still Tories and put country first
Finally
They all went along with the Brexshitters for a least a year, over 2 years for some
If they had rebelled after the 2017 GE, then May would have been forced to abandon her red lines
Or she couldn't have formed a govt

It would be praiseworthy if the LDems would do so

I do praise the SNP for saying they would support anyone to avoid No Deal
(and they are the ones who want to leave the UK

However much we blame the Opposition for not agreeing on something,
we must keep repeating that the blame for whole Brexit party from start to finish belongs to the TORY party

If we No Deal, then I hope that the effects within a few years wipe out the Tory Party
Especially the windfall profits they and their chums made from No Deal become obvious

BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2019 11:41

party project
lunchtime here and the free monthly buffet at the gym, so I'm off now ! Smile

Mistigri · 06/10/2019 11:57

Then they are choosing No Deal over a few days of Corbyn
Good to know which MPs not to vote for in the GE

BCF, we agree on many things but I cannot agree here.

I cannot emphasise enough how inappropriate it is to blame no deal on Jewish MPs who refuse to vote for someone they believe to be an antisemite.

Nacreous · 06/10/2019 12:03

Located a sung version of the above song:

Thank you Red for sharing the comment!

Basilpots · 06/10/2019 12:15

www.businessinsider.com/steve-bannon-oprah-women-take-charge-of-society-2018-2

Steve Bannon warns that women are going to 'take charge of society'

Hope he’s right for once.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/10/2019 12:19

Hope he’s right for once

I agree to some degree but then you get people like priti pattel and esther mcvey

prettybird · 06/10/2019 12:19

Old article - but I do find the fact that "women taking charge of society" is something he feels the need to warn about highly amusing!

Mistigri · 06/10/2019 12:21

Andrew Rawnsley on the prospects for a GNU (poor) and the blame game:

If there is an election and the Tories win it on a no-deal manifesto because Labour is so divided, equivocal and unpopular, there will be a whole other blame game to be played.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/06/boris-johnson-is-still-gambling-on-winning-brexit-blame-game

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 06/10/2019 12:32

Nacreous

Thank you for posting that sung version.

I suspect WS Gilbert would have approved. He was happy to satirise politicians.

DGRossetti · 06/10/2019 12:42

there is an article saying Geoffrey Cox will resign

About the only constant predictable thing Brexit has produced is a steady stream of rumours someone is going to resign.

DGRossetti · 06/10/2019 12:47

Steve Bannon warns that women are going to 'take charge of society'

When he can carry a child for 9 months, suckle it an raise it, he can be worried. Until then he can fuck right off to his men-only island somewhere, and see how far he gets.

Does he have any ancient Greek heritage I wonder ? Maybe it's calling him back ?

DGRossetti · 06/10/2019 12:51

I suspect WS Gilbert would have approved. He was happy to satirise politicians.

aren't some G&S characters veiled (thinly or not) digs at the politicians of the day ?

DM loved G&S, and it's something I really feel I should get into. Our middle school had a tradition of a final-year musical, and it alternated between G&S and a. n. other. My year got "Tom Sawyer - the musical". I still have the score somewhere.

NoWordForFluffy · 06/10/2019 12:56

A lawyer's / barrister's first duty is to the Court. If your client refuses to take your advice and wishes to push on, regardless of whether you've told them that it's unlawful, you have no option but to stop acting. And in this instance, that means resignation for Cox. That's just the way it has to be.

DarkAtEndOfUk · 06/10/2019 13:03

Old article - but I do find the fact that "women taking charge of society" is something he feels the need to warn about highly amusing!

Me too Grin. Wasn't it the Dalai Lama who said that the world will be saved by the western woman?

All this business over who is going to be PM for a few days. Can we not just ditch the title of PM, and leave 10 Downing Street empty, and just have a leader in Parliament? It's more becoming of a caretaker GNU leader. Bercow is a good compromise I agree, but I've only seen the headlines - has anyone asked him? He wanted to stand down for time with family, he said.

Icantreachthepretzels · 06/10/2019 13:10

Alternatively, Corbyn could swallow his pride and "do what has to be done"?

But is there actually - I mean as in really exists and has done the sounding out - a unity candidate who already has the support of the tory rebels, the lib dems, the SNP, Plaid, ChUK, other independents, Caroline Lucas and an agreement with a fairly huge chunk of labour that they would back this person over Corbyn?
Because if this person doesn't exist yet, and doesn't step forward in the next couple of days ... then Corbyn isn't stepping down for an idea which is nice in theory but has no basis in reality is he?

If Jo Swinson - or anyone - can name someone and prove they have a sizeable backing - then Corbyn and that person need to talk (and they need to find a big ladder for Corbyn to climb down).
If this person is not out there then there is no point repeatedly stating that Corbyn should be willing to back down as well. For who? How many MPs are they bringing to the table?

Corbyn is at least a plan. People rejecting him without proffering an actual serious contender for the role (and I don't mean throwing names out there - I mean proving this particular person could have support of all the disparate groups) are just saying 'I don't like this plan find another' without offering a workable solution. It's text book brexit!
(and yes - another contender would have to prove that they have support of the others before Corbyn should take them seriously - whereas Corbyn should just be a serious contender no questions asked because he has the largest (by far) group of MPs and is the official leader of HM's opposition. This other person is yet to be named - they need to prove their chops!)

In good news #FilthyPieceofToerag is now trending second on twitter.

DGRossetti · 06/10/2019 13:11

A lawyer's / barrister's first duty is to the Court. If your client refuses to take your advice and wishes to push on, regardless of whether you've told them that it's unlawful, you have no option but to stop acting. And in this instance, that means resignation for Cox. That's just the way it has to be.

That was yesterday. This is a Brave New World, remember ? If Boris is daring the Queen, maybe Cox can dare the Law society (or whoever, you can tell I'm not a lawyer Grin) ?

(Incidentally, a lot of people would do well to remember your first point. There's a common misconception that a barrister/lawyers first obligation is to their client; he who pays the piper etc ....)

Mistigri · 06/10/2019 13:14

But is there actually - I mean as in really exists and has done the sounding out - a unity candidate who already has the support of the tory rebels, the lib dems, the SNP, Plaid, ChUK, other independents, Caroline Lucas and an agreement with a fairly huge chunk of labour that they would back this person over Corbyn?

It depends entirely whether Labour MPs are whipped to support that person.

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 06/10/2019 13:16

Quite enjoying the J R-M inspired creativity.

Personally, I was rather hoping to hear him misquote Mrs Patrick Campbell.

I commend the deep, deep peace of the chaise longue after the hurly-burly of the double bed.

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