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Westministenders: Conference Cult

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RedToothBrush · 30/09/2019 17:45

Is it over yet?

The Tory Party Conference is in full swing in the Manchester Rain, and is proving to be its usual fun.

Johnson is caught up in all sorts of allegations of abuses of power - the non-declaration of his "friendship" to a busty blonde whom was getting a large tax payer grant, and then there the Odey question after his sister said he was under the control of the Hedge Funders.

And thats before we talk about the 40 hospitals, his provocative language and how many times he can say the word surrender.

There is lots of distancing from Lyton Crosby. And accusations that Johnson has gone 'rogue' only listening to the wisdom of Cummings and Symonds.

The Queen apparently has asked for advice as to under what circumstance she can dismiss a PM.

AND NO ONE IS EVEN TALKING ABOUT A DEAL.

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LarkDescending · 01/10/2019 20:49

importconundrums does this help on your facts?

Article re UKCA transition

chomalungma · 01/10/2019 20:50

Looks like the laws of unintended consequences.

I wonder how many similar things will appear if we No Deal?

WhatwouldScoobyDoo · 01/10/2019 20:54

Another good Scottish expression in your honour Scooby and particularly relevant yet again to our current UK Politicians who don't have a scooby what they're doing .... Thank you, pretty 😂

Importconundrums · 01/10/2019 20:55

That article expressed what we thought had been the case, and what we were working with until today - that we could have both for a while. But the slides stated that the policy had changed on that, let me find the quote...

DGRossetti · 01/10/2019 21:00

Tangential, but Meghan is suing the MoS

sussexofficial.uk/

Importconundrums · 01/10/2019 21:00

^Using the CE marking
CE marking for the UK market
You will still be able to use the CE marking for products being placed on the UK market if any of the following apply:
you currently CE mark your good on the basis of self-certification
any mandatory third-party conformity assessment was carried out by an EU-recognised notified body
the certificate of conformity previously held by a UK body has been transferred to an EU-recognised notified body^

None of this applies to us, so we can’t use CE.

And then...

When to use the UKCA marking
You will need to apply the new UKCA marking to your product if all of the following apply. Your product:

  1. is for the UK market
  2. requires mandatory third-party conformity assessment
  3. conformity assessment has been carried out by a UK conformity assessment body (a UK based notified body, recognised third party organisations or user inspectorate - referred to collectively as UK notified bodies)

We can’t satisfy all of those criteria either

BigChocFrenzy · 01/10/2019 21:06

"You will need to apply the new UKCA marking to your product if all of the following apply."

So if any of them don't apply, you don't need the UKCA

Or am I misreading ?

LarkDescending · 01/10/2019 21:06

According to the FAQ on this site the Great Repeal Bill doesn’t invalidate the CE mark for imports to the UK until specific legislation is introduced after Brexit, so if that is right you can carry on until then, and presumably that legislation in turn would contain transitional provisions?

This is not my area, I should add.

cherin · 01/10/2019 21:07

Hold on a sec...if you import the machine from the EU, it will arrive with its CE mark because it’s been tested by a EU lab, no?
In the construction industry the CE Mark will be recognised, and it’s the EU suppliers task to get it. (My problem is that I’m not sure for how long I’ll be able to specify it...I write specs today for a project that might be actually delivered in 4 years time. By then nobody knows if this clauses will still be valid!)

Basilpots · 01/10/2019 21:07

Is there a relevant trade body you could contact import ??

BigChocFrenzy · 01/10/2019 21:07

But you can't use the CA
Arrgh !

LarkDescending · 01/10/2019 21:09

October 2019 update from that site

I haven’t read it yet...

RedToothBrush · 01/10/2019 21:09

More issues with Arcuri

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/01/revealed-jennifer-arcuri-got-visa-from-scheme-run-by-former-johnson-official?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard&__twitter_impression=true
Revealed: Jennifer Arcuri got visa from scheme run by former Johnson official
Exclusive: Whistleblower tells of links between Paola Cuneo, PM and US businesswoman

A Whitehall official who ran the scheme that granted Jennifer Arcuri a coveted entrepreneur visa had worked for Boris Johnson when he was mayor, the Guardian has learned.

The US businesswoman, who is at the centre of a conflict of interest row over her friendship with the prime minister, beat nearly 2,000 applicants to gain one of 200 sought-after tier 1 entrepreneur visas on the government’s Sirius programme after Johnson helped promote her firm, Innotech, by giving keynote speeches at her events.

The Guardian has learned that Paola Cuneo, the then director of the Sirius programme, previously spent two-and-a-half years working in a senior post at London & Partners (L&P), the official mayoral promotional agency which Johnson had responsibility for while he was in City Hall.

Cuneo, Arcuri and Johnson attended the same Innotech event in October 2013, two months before the company joined the Sirius scheme.

And

The latest twist follows revelations that firms run by the entrepreneur – who is said to have confided in friends she was having an affair with Johnson – received £126,000 of public money. About £11,500 of that figure was paid by L&P to Innotech while Johnson was mayor and after Cuneo left the agency. Arcuri also went on three overseas trade missions led by Johnson, two of which she had initially been turned down for.

And

According to evidence provided to the Guardian by a whistleblower, staff working on the Sirius programme warned Cuneo and other senior civil servants of a conflict of interest in June 2014 after Innotech was given £10,000 by the scheme to run a launch event for the programme the month before before without any tendering process.

Staff were concerned that the programme team failed to follow procurement rules and warned there was a conflict of interest with the Sirius scheme paying the startup because it was already a recipient of the visa scheme.

Speaking this week, the whistleblower accused Cuneo of showing favouritism towards Innotech and questioned the company’s suitability for a place on the programme given it was simply an events firm rather than developing a product.

The whistleblower, who worked on the Sirius scheme at the time, told the Guardian: “I regarded the two decisions about Innotech [on the visa and the subsequent launch event contract] as examples of favouritism.”

Innotech was the only company admitted in the first wave of Sirius startups that did not have a tech product, the whistleblower said.

“It was fundamentally an event company. In that sense, Innotech stood out compared to other startups in the programme, which had a much higher potential to scale up. Potential to scale was one of the criteria we adopted to evaluate applicants.

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“This is significant because admission to the Sirius programme involved a tier 1 entrepreneur visa, plus a grant of £12,000, plus additional support resources.”

The whistleblower said that after Innotech was admitted, Cuneo decided to give the firm an extra £10,000 to organise a launch event for the Sirius programme.

“Several members of the team raised concerns about that decision, because it seemed not to follow standard procurement rules and because there was a clear conflict of interest (as we had already funded this startup). There were concerns because those services were procured without opening up the tender to competition and because the invoicing seemed to be irregular. On top of that, we already had a supplier for event management, so this seemed like a duplication.”

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BigChocFrenzy · 01/10/2019 21:10

I hesitate to suggest this, but does your firm have contacts with the department of trade ?
They are probably baffled too, but might be able to fnd out

cherin · 01/10/2019 21:11

Otherwise, depending on which mark it is, you can always commission it to a Eu lab, AFAIK the cost of the CE mark is relatively small compared to the cost of the tests needed to get the performance assessed (it’s absurd, but you can get something tested to 12 different tests to check 12 different performances- ie resistance to cycle operation, resistance to freeze and thaw, etc. All the tests results necessary t get a CE mark. But before the lab gives you an actual CE mark it will charge you an extra 3 grands, just to give you the document that recaps everything ;-)

Random18 · 01/10/2019 21:13

I see Harry and Meghan are suing the mail - good for them.

A strongly worded statement has been issued an can't help bit think they are hinting at the current manipulation by right wing papers.

If one is not amused then this is a perfect way to get a statement out.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 01/10/2019 21:13

Lewis Goodall
@lewis_goodall
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Boris Johnson at DUP reception mentions Jeremy Corbyn, starts a sentence saying “we’ll invite him to enter...”

Shout from the crowd: “Traitors’ gate!”

Another: “a noose!”

Grim.

BigChocFrenzy · 01/10/2019 21:14

That Arcuri story - with the financial detail - needs to be in the Mail, Sun, Express, Telegraph

Currently, most Brexiters are just reading this as past Boris Bonking and chuckling

However, it is really important and may yet bring him down - but probably not before 31 October

Importconundrums · 01/10/2019 21:14

Cherin - exactly, it’s the EU manufacturer’s responsibility to get the CE mark based on inspection and technical files. But because our machines come under annex IV of the CE regulations they aren’t inspected by notified bodies, but a separate category of inspection (just my luck!) so according to that paragraph above we can’t use CE

JustAnotherPoster00 · 01/10/2019 21:15

Labour's Laura Pidcock says PM is 'shielded from the effects of no-deal Brexit'

cherin · 01/10/2019 21:16

But do you sell your machines on, and to the EU, or keep them here?

Importconundrums · 01/10/2019 21:18

We import from EU to here. EU to EU we’ve set up another company to bypass everything!

Lark - I like the final paragraph from that Oct article “It seems very likely that if there is a deal at all then it will only emerge at the very last minute and in the meanwhile there will be much confusion and little certainty about what will happen and when. However, there are things which manufacturers and others can be doing in preparation for Brexit so please contact us for specific advice if you need it.”

BigChocFrenzy · 01/10/2019 21:18

Poster00 Sad
Frightening in a British political party
Unfortunately, I would only expect this to make headlines if were Labour saying these things

I wonder if BJ seemed taken aback at seeing what he & his gang are building

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