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Westminstenders: The Tory Party Spectacular

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RedToothBrush · 27/09/2019 17:41

A row over parliamentary language and conduct and how MPs are afraid of extremists has over shadowed talk of Brexit.

Cummings has said if you don't want to leave without a deal, vote for a deal.

Yet there isn't a Johnson approved one in front of the Commons and the EU are utterly despairing of Johnson's blank non papers and his full on Trump bullshit.

Then there's the threats to the rule of law.

Apparently there are five known suggestions to bypass the Benn Act and refuse to ask for an extension.
See Twitter Thread Here

This weekend sees the start of the Tory Party Conference. With a parliamentary vote to block a recess, its rather scuppered plans for the rest of the conference. Johnson's planned speech at the conference clashes with PMQ so he may well not attend the Commons.

Expect the conference to be.... Er... Inflammatory...

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DGRossetti · 29/09/2019 21:15

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chomalungma · 29/09/2019 21:16

His unpopularity among women

This is where I think a focus on Operation Yellowhammer needs to come into play.

A focus on what No Deal means for the household. For social care. For the cost of living on day to day essentials. For what it means for the family unit.

Stoke on Trent was one of the biggest Leave supporting areas. Interestingly, it is also the place with the highest level of personal insolvencies in the country. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-49648109

I wonder how much of that is linked. The effect of austerity, wanting something to change?

LizzieSiddal · 29/09/2019 21:18

Matt Hancock has just told Channel 4 News, that he knows and believes the woman who’s accused Johnson of groping her thigh. Shock

”I know Charlotte well and I entirely trust what she has to say” Matt Hancock on #C4news tonight”

Amber Rudd has agreed with Matt.

So a member of the cabinet has said the PM is a liar.

chomalungma · 29/09/2019 21:21

Sadly Trump has been accused of sexual harassment - and he vigorously denies it. It then seems to go nowhere.

ListeningQuietly · 29/09/2019 21:22

Choma
Boris is very unpopular with women
but at least he admits that people with testicles are not women
unlike the Libdems and Labour

I am one of those who feels disenfranchised in a million ways at the moment
-Brexit

  • Feminism
  • protecting children
  • austerity
  • climate change
there is NO PARTY that meets more than half of my needs and I am not alone
tobee · 29/09/2019 21:24

Thanks for answers re Duncan Smith.

Does sovereignty actually mean anything anyway?

IrenetheQuaint · 29/09/2019 21:26

"Johnson is still more popular than Corbyn. It can only be his fixtation with Brexit that excuses so much."

No, I think it's the right-wing press's successful demonization of Corbyn as a Communist terrorist sympathiser. (I'm in no way a Corbyn fan but think he's significantly less dangerous than Johnson.)

tobee · 29/09/2019 21:30

Johnson's personal ambition is what makes him dangerous of course. I don't think Corbyn is personally ambitious.

tobee · 29/09/2019 21:32

Fits in with the very broad idea that Tories are "what's in it for me?" versus socialists "what's in it for everyone" as basic philosophies.

Basilpots · 29/09/2019 21:33

Does sovereignty actually mean anything anyway?

I hope so 17.4 M were voting to get it back so we are told.

tobee · 29/09/2019 21:34

Well exactly Basil.

Maybe they were conned? 🤔

BigChocFrenzy · 29/09/2019 21:39

Huh ? Confused
Theo Usherwood@theousherwood (LBC)

New: our engineers tell me they’ve been told that Conservative Manchester conference keeps getting hit by a cyber attack every hour.

That’s why the internet keeps going down.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/09/2019 21:43

This was from Thursday:

Theo Usherwood@theousherwood (LBC)

Update from opposition leaders’ meeting

  • agreement language used by PM unacceptable.
  • priority to stop No Deal Brexit.
  • Once No Deal avoided on 31/10 then election.
  • Ominously, meet Monday (during Tory conference) to see what else can be done to stop No Deal.
JeSuisPoulet · 29/09/2019 21:43

Sounds like a good excuse to cancel it...Hmm

Icantreachthepretzels · 29/09/2019 21:44

inews.co.uk/news/uk/queen-sought-advice-sacking-prime-minister-638320

Has this been posted?
I'm just catching up - I've been out all day at the Manchester march. Pretty good turn out, especially considering the weather.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/09/2019 21:48

James Felton@JimMFelton

In a serious story of the PM potentially committing a criminal offence of misconduct in public office

it would be nice if your main headline wasn't "this is politically motivated"
without at least making space for the fairly fucking critical words "says government"

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thecatfromjapan · 29/09/2019 21:48

pretzels I hope you enjoyed the march/protest.

I wanted to go but was - as usual - too disorganised to book travel.

It looked great, and well done braving the rain. 🙂

thecatfromjapan · 29/09/2019 21:50

That's quite a story, Pretzels. I wonder why it's being leaked? Damage limitation for Palace? Warning to .Johnson? A signal to conservative Conservatives that Johnson is going.too.far?

JeSuisPoulet · 29/09/2019 21:53

I suspect it's Cummings or Farty putting Queenie in a bad light.

pumkinspicetime · 29/09/2019 21:53

BCF, we complained about that as soon as we saw this on the webpage. Filled out an online complaint form and everything.
It needed as a by which said, "says government minister "
There was plenty of space.
BBC was mixing fact and opinions, leading to bias the pumpkin household reckoned.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/09/2019 21:53

I hope you stayed dry, pretzels

Very interesting from your HMQ link:

Looks like HMQ was worried BJ wouldn't resign if a VoNC replaced him and hence wanted to know if she could remove him if need be.

'A House of Commons select committee established in 2003 that
these powers also include a right for the sovereign in a “grave constitutional crisis” to act contrary to, or even without, ministerial advice.

Constitutional experts are indeed divided on the exact circumstances - if any - in which the Queen could remove a sitting prime minister.'

TheNumberfaker · 29/09/2019 21:54

Jay Rayner is spot on. Better to try to heal our divisions without a collapsed economy, shortages and the far right given free reign to slash all our employee/ maternity/environmental etc protections!

BigChocFrenzy · 29/09/2019 21:55

Well done, PumpkinHousehold
That's very diligent 🤛🏼

BigChocFrenzy · 29/09/2019 21:57

It's the frequent repetition of such BBC "carelessness" Hmm that lead to some accusations of bias on here

HesterThrale · 29/09/2019 22:01

Matt Hancock has just told Channel 4 News, that he knows and believes the woman who’s accused Johnson of groping her thigh.

Wow Lizzie, Hancock’s decided to be honest... be interesting if more Cabinet members turn against BJ.

I think this is the same Charlotte Edwardes who’s in a relationship with Robert Peston?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2019/09/29/boris-johnson-denies-squeezing-journalists-thigh-under-table-10829571/amp/

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