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Westminstenders: The Tory Party Spectacular

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RedToothBrush · 27/09/2019 17:41

A row over parliamentary language and conduct and how MPs are afraid of extremists has over shadowed talk of Brexit.

Cummings has said if you don't want to leave without a deal, vote for a deal.

Yet there isn't a Johnson approved one in front of the Commons and the EU are utterly despairing of Johnson's blank non papers and his full on Trump bullshit.

Then there's the threats to the rule of law.

Apparently there are five known suggestions to bypass the Benn Act and refuse to ask for an extension.
See Twitter Thread Here

This weekend sees the start of the Tory Party Conference. With a parliamentary vote to block a recess, its rather scuppered plans for the rest of the conference. Johnson's planned speech at the conference clashes with PMQ so he may well not attend the Commons.

Expect the conference to be.... Er... Inflammatory...

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MockersthefeMANist · 29/09/2019 18:24

Ian Paisley snr was an MP, MEP and MLA all at once.

JeSuisPoulet · 29/09/2019 18:43

Basil I think he would do well in Thanet (his old UKIP territory) but perhaps a northern move against a strong labour opponent would suit their purposes better; why waste your cannon when a pistol would do?

Basilpots · 29/09/2019 18:48

Mockers that’s multi tasking !

Would be x3 allowances/salaries?

Interesting Jesuis so maybe high profile Labour MP in Leave constituency marginal. He’s going to want a slam dunk after failing what 7 times already. Yvette Cooper perhaps ?

DGRossetti · 29/09/2019 18:49

So with the news today Farage is indeed standing as an MP any thoughts on where ?

Where would Robert the Bruce's constituency be now ?

MockersthefeMANist · 29/09/2019 18:49

A re-match with Craig McKinlay in Thanet South would be very interesting knowing what we now know about the crooked Tory campaign.

TheABC · 29/09/2019 18:51

I have been reading Ashcroft's research with a dropped jaw. Despite:

  • law-breaking
-infidelity
  • sexual harassment accusations
  • a lost majority
  • allegations of corruption and
  • losing every vote in the commons...

...Johnson is still more popular than Corbyn. It can only be his fixtation with Brexit that excuses so much.

I suspect if he does not deliver, his ratings are going to plunge more rapidly than a Helsinki dive team. That makes him incredibly dangerous and if I were the opposition, I would be moving now to oust him. Because the striking thing was how many people were willing to sacrifice Brexit in order to preserve the Union. The appetite is there for a degree of compromise (and moving on).

JeSuisPoulet · 29/09/2019 18:52

I suspect Thanet would lean towards UKIP still but might be tight if they hold a Brexiteer in there. Farty would storm it but I suspect he would rather win over a Labour seat - as long as he is in line with whoever wins in Thanet they will be easy to carry along with him later on.

MockersthefeMANist · 29/09/2019 18:53

Would be x3 allowances/salaries?

Plenty of airmiles betwixt Belfast, London, Brussels and Strasbourg.

Luckily, Paisley Jnr has just the one job, so has plenty of time for all-expenses paid family holidays courtesy of the genocidal govt in Sri Lanka.

MockersthefeMANist · 29/09/2019 18:55
  • law-breaking
-infidelity
  • sexual harassment accusations
  • a lost majority
  • allegations of corruption and
  • losing every vote in the commons...

...could be worse. He could make a mess of a bacon sandwich.

JeSuisPoulet · 29/09/2019 18:56

When I say "in line with" I mean, I doubt anyone is under any illusions UKIP is Brexit's B team. They'd merge faster than you could say 'The truth didn't have time to get it's pants on' as Farty has remarked before...

DGRossetti · 29/09/2019 18:59

I have been reading Ashcroft's research with a dropped jaw.

I really can't be arsed, but I recall just before his impeachment (which never happened) Richard Nixon was pretty popular too.

A lot of polling is asymmetric anyway ... Boris "popularity" might be a function of Corbyns "unpopularity"

Does anyone recall an early 1980s "Play for Today" called "Englands Green and Peasant Land" about a particularly nasty by election in an unnamed Northern Town ? Both sides (Tory/Labour) spent all their advertising slagging of the other side, rather than plugging themselves, only to have the Liberals (as was) win.

There was a particularly amusing episode where supporters of one side tricked the battle bus of the other into giving them a day at the seaside.

DGRossetti · 29/09/2019 18:59

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Westminstenders: The Tory Party Spectacular
MockersthefeMANist · 29/09/2019 19:01

Jim Callaghan was more popular than Margaret Thatcher in 79. Men especially didn't like her, but women thought she deserved a chance.

By 83, women had gone right off her, but men thought she was "the only man in the cabinet."

ListeningQuietly · 29/09/2019 19:55

Dear Labour Party
Margaret Hodge should be part of your team
Kate Hoey should not
Until you grasp that you are unelectable

that and the fact that women do not have testicles
oi libdems, its not a tricky test either

Lots of love
UK voters

flouncyfanny · 29/09/2019 20:04

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tobee · 29/09/2019 20:32

Umm...I made a horrific mistake earlier and accidentally clicked a video of Iain Duncan Smith. I rushed to turn it off but he seemed to be saying something along the lines of "parliament isn't sovereign, the people are sovereign" and thought wtf? Confused

Would any kind members of the Westminsterenders community care to give their thoughts on this because I couldn't bring myself to listen to any more of him? Thank you kindly Smile

Peregrina · 29/09/2019 20:36

If Parliament isn't Sovereign, what exactly are IDS and Co doing then? We could just have a Government by Referenda, with the Civil Service executing the results.

ListeningQuietly · 29/09/2019 20:43

If Parliament is irrelevant, best not vote then
and leave the voting to those who think it has a legal right to be there Wink

that was the approach Cambridge Analytica took to steal the election in Trinidad and Tobago Angry

Basilpots · 29/09/2019 20:43

Where was IDS last week Tuesday where it was made quite plain that Parliament is sovereign.

He’s an MP ffs.

That can’t be beyond his wit.

He needs to stop having ideas or at least opening his mouth telling us about them.

IDS chief designer of the cheese submarine.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/09/2019 20:47

Sam Coates Sky**@SamCoatesSky

Charlotte Edwardes responded by saying:
“If the prime minister doesn’t recollect the incident then clearly I have a better memory than he does.”

Nick Boles MPP@NickBoles*

From what we already know about Johnson, it probably wasn’t that rare an occurrence.
No wonder he forgot.
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Eyewhisker · 29/09/2019 20:50

Summary here of a speech by Arlene Foster on the fringes of the Tory Conference. Basically only willing to countenance concessions on agriculture but nothing else. Not going to be acceptable in Brussels, so still looking like no deal, unless the GNU happens.

sluggerotoole.com/2019/09/29/deal-or-no-deal-the-uk-could-still-leave-the-eu-on-31-october/

BigChocFrenzy · 29/09/2019 20:55

Austria
Far right did poorly in their Parliamentary elections today

Europe Elects@EuropeElects

Austria: SORA projection of voting transfers between the 2017 and today's national parliament election shows that right-wing FPÖ (ID) 2017 voters shifted to the centre-right ÖVP (EPP) or did not vote;
SPÖ (S&D) 2017 voters shifted to GRÜNE (G/EFA).
#wahl2019 #nrw19

MockersthefeMANist · 29/09/2019 20:56

GCSE British Constitution:

Popular Sovereignty vs Parliamentary Sovereignty

The people are Sovereign, and they express that sovereignity through their elected representatives in Parliament, who are not delegates.

MPs do what they think is right, and if the voters don't like it, they can kick them out at the next election.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/09/2019 20:56

I read Arlene saying DUP wold only accept short, time-limited backstop
i.e. not a real backstop

Oakenbeach · 29/09/2019 20:58

Wise words from Nick Boles posted a couple
of days back on Twitter:

“Those who want to defeat Johnson and Cummings must focus on their strategic weaknesses: 1 Johnson’s identification with Trump 2 His unpopularity among women 3 Their exposure to the Brexit Party if they don’t deliver Brexit on 31 Oct. Nothing else matters. Don’t get distracted.”