Westminstenders: The Tory Party Spectacular

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A row over parliamentary language and conduct and how MPs are afraid of extremists has over shadowed talk of Brexit.

Cummings has said if you don't want to leave without a deal, vote for a deal.

Yet there isn't a Johnson approved one in front of the Commons and the EU are utterly despairing of Johnson's blank non papers and his full on Trump bullshit.

Then there's the threats to the rule of law.

Apparently there are five known suggestions to bypass the Benn Act and refuse to ask for an extension.
See Twitter Thread Here

This weekend sees the start of the Tory Party Conference. With a parliamentary vote to block a recess, its rather scuppered plans for the rest of the conference. Johnson's planned speech at the conference clashes with PMQ so he may well not attend the Commons.

Expect the conference to be.... Er... Inflammatory...

I wanted to go but was - as usual - too disorganised to book travel.
It looked great

Did it actually make it onto any news?

The * link pretzels* could have had better proofreading, surely?

Re the repeated cyber attacks at Tory Conference, I expect its targeted attacks by the Remain-eu-French-dodgy foreign powers alliance.

Watching the 10pm BBC news (having nit seen the news all day).

Is it my imagination, but is BJ looking increasingly like a big toddler trying to get his way and being thwarted when he's interviewed and challenged even gently ?

More detail on that Creasey story earlier - she has been targeted by a US anti-abortion group

The Labour MP Stella Creasy has contacted the police and said she feels “physically sick” after being targeted by an anti-abortion group

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/28/labour-mp-stella-creasy-targeted-by-anti-abortion-group

Creasy, who represents Walthamstow in parliament, expressed her concern as protesters entered her constituency and

put a poster of her next to a picture of what it claimed was “a 24-week-old aborted baby girl”.

The image reads: “Your MP is working hard … to make this a human right.”

It also has the address for a website that has been set up against the MP.

The protest and campaign was set up by an American anti-abortion organisation, the Centre for Bio-Ethical Reform.

It comes after MPs approved an amendment by Creasy to extend abortion rights to Northern Ireland, the only part of the UK where it remains illegal.

The vote was passed by 332 to 99.

Quick google says Manchester Evening News, Daily Mail and Morning Star covered the Manchester march. Interesting news bedfellows!

Yeah. Is it just me, or is there an extraORDinary amount of stuff supposedly "leaked by senior palace official" at the moment?

Given the palace's usual silence on leaks and on political material, who on earth's to say there's any truth in it whatsoever.

Given the constant torrent from "a senior No 10 source" or "senior Tory source", whichever hat Cummings decides to wear in any half-hour, this sounds A LOT like more of the same.

And yes, I do think the monarchy is in the disruptionists' sights.

pretzels I've not seen any television today but I just found some good pics in the i here Love the sound of the Boris Blimp!

Peking yes exactly - the i has carried it to give hope to remainers, but the general message to BeLeavers is she will take away their will just when someone looked committed to delivering it.

Trying to get news on the cyber attack and came across this BBC story, complete with a tweet showing BoZoCum's info - note his email account still has him as an MP Not sure why that made me snigger (along with his mutton chops)!

I do realise the PM is still an MP, it just made me feel like the IT dept have been a bit slow in changing those finickity details given how many PM's we've got through recently...could see them rolling their eyes and muttering "well he'll just have to wait"

The "Remainers are colluding with a foreign power" shit is another Trumpian reversal.

I'm pretty sure the Brexiteers are:

a) telling us THEY are under foreign influence (at the very least, from US investors who've shorted the £);

b) getting the waters nicely muddied for when if credible accusations start to well up of Russian involvement. It will all just become false equivalence: "They're all making these accusations against each other; nothing to choose between them".

I was sat opposite the blimp during the rally jesuis. The pictures in that article are all of the unison march - I watched that go past whilst I was in Starbucks, it was pretty massive. The EU march happened a couple of hours later and was at least equal in size but with more blue flags.
There were a lot of protesters out and about today

The "Remainers are colluding with a foreign power" shit is another Trumpian reversal.

Let's suppose those dastardly remainers are actually holding honest to god conversations with those cheese eating surrender monkeys across the channel ( Zut alors! ) ... how exactly is this more of a collusion than Farage asking his mate Orban to veto an extension?

Manchester all over democracy today! Fabulous turnouts!

Good article about IMF and corruption here. Read it with NHS in mind. There's another story on why BoE raising interest rates could be a very bad idea...here

pretzels or indeed BoZo getting coaching from Trump/Russians?

pretzels I saw images on Twitter. I haven't watched television today. (I've been thoroughly depressing myself by reading 'Travellers in the Third Reich.'

Yeah, pretzels, it's the turning it into a story that interests me.

Why would Brexiteer narrative-machine (Cummings? friends?) think of that particular story, out of nowhere?

Happens time and again with Trumpies. You think, "HUH? Wtf?!" about a weird accusation made against anti-Trumps. Shortly afterwards, it becomes clear that the topic was in the Trumpies' minds... because they were up to it.

Front pages

DriedLimes
no French Revolution/ path to universal suffrage/ failure of extremist parties/ postwar consensus - & also how the rest of the world viewed the English political system & discourse.

The Tudor revolution (with the Reformation at its centre) foreshadowed many elements of the Bolshevik Revolution.
England executed one king, endured a brutal civil war, then 50 years later the Glorious Revolution was effected that ushered in the era of the monarch's position in the constitution that we see today.

By 1800 the major revolutions, and the colonisation of Scotland (with accompanied ethnic cleansing) and Ireland had all been accomplished in Britain. Only the Act of Union between Britain and Ireland remained to be done and dusted following the crushing of the 1798 rebellion that came after about 100 years of Penal Laws.

Despite a long catalogue of brutality on the part of the state and a long list of grievances on the part of many mobs through the two centuries from the late 1700s, the dominant image of an equanimous, fair, solid John Bull and a happy populace came to prevail.

A partial list of riots:
1710 Sacheverell riots
1714 Coronation riots
1715 England riots - Riot Act
1768 Massacre of St George's Fields
1769 Spitalfield riots
1780 Gordon riots
1791 Priestley riots
1793 Bristol Bridge riot
1795 Revolt of the housewives
1809 Old Price riots
1816 Spa Fields riots
1816 Ely and Littleport riots
1819 Peterloo Massacre
1830 Swing riots
1831 Queen Square riots (Bristol)
1832 Days of May
1838 Battle of Bossenden Wood
1865 Leeds dripping riot
1866 Hyde Park demonstration
1887 Bloody Sunday
1896 Newlyn riots
1907 Brown Dog riots
1919 Epsom riot
1919 Battle of Bow Street
1919 Luton Peace Day riots
1932 Old Market riot (Bristol)
1932 National Hunger March
1936 Battle of Cable Street
1943 Battle of Bamber Bridge
1944 Park Street riot
1945 Aldershot riot
1958 Notting Hill race riots
1968 student riots
1970 Garden House riot
1974 Red Lion Square disorders
1975 Chapeltown riot
1977 Battle of Lewisham
1979 Death of Blair Peach
1980 St. Pauls riot
1981 England riots
1981 Brixton riot
1981 Chapeltown riots
1981 Toxteth riots
1981 Moss Side riot
1981 Handsworth riots
1985 Handsworth riots
1985 Brixton riot
1985 Broadwater Farm riot
1987 Chapeltown riot
1989 Dewsbury riot
1990 Poll Tax riots
1990 Strangeways Prison riot
1991 Meadow Well riots
1991 Handsworth riots
1992 Hartcliffe riot (Bristol)
1993 Welling riots
1995 Manningham riot
1995 Brixton riot
1996 Trafalgar Square riots

That list isn't all -inclusive. It doesn't touch on events in Ireland, which was governed from Westminster from 1800, or on Northern Ireland from 1921, including the Troubles from the late 60s to the 1990s.

Through the period of alleged stability, Australian penal colonies and indentured servitude in the American colonies solved a lot of problems, as did the hangman's rope.

There were press gangs, horrific conditions in factories and mines, slums, and all the horrors that Dickens wrote about.

A massive amount of propaganda meant that the average Briton could take comfort in the Imperial dream of liberty and civilisation spread everywhere on the globe that was coloured red, and in the fact that at least he wasn't a half monkey as the Irish were.
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'Mr G. O'Rilla'...

The national myth of all the great things Britain (and by extension the UK) stands for and is admired for has contributed in no small part to current problems.

Thanks for answering cat, jesuis and tobee ... No, I didn't think there'd be anything on the television (although maybe any Mancunians can say if it made the local news programme)
Marches are rarely put on the T.V (BBC didn't even send anyone for the million strong march in March ). It's frustrating - we tramp through the rain and only the already politically engaged happen to hear about it because they see it on twitter. Most of the country won't have even realised we were there.

I did the colossal mistake of watching the Marr show on player whilst doing the dishes. I think I need to take something for my blood pressure. I never post anything on FB that’s too political, but tonight I had to vent. I swear he was so transparent in his mission- do NOT listen. Repeat the keywords. Point to squirrels if things get to heated.
Marr was good, I appreciate how he refused to buy the bollocks, and tried over and over to get him to respond to real questions, but
Guys
This is Erdogan (Turkish roots?) meet Trump (American birth) meet Beppe Grillo (shitty comedian)
If he doesn’t leave the scene, it’s not going to end well. He’s got NO sense of morality or shame or decency. We can’t possibly be represented on the international stage by someone like him. I can’t believe we got that low. I can only imagine Barnier talking to him. What kind of tranquilliser he must take, beforehand, to control the urge of punching him straight on the nose???

I agree 100% with you @DriedLimes wrt similarities to France between the wars. The fault lines were established at the start of the Third Republic and only grew worse as time went on.

Must dust off my 'Collapse of the Third Republic' by William Shirer.

Myriade, it was thanks to the febrile atmosphere and complete loss of confidence in the political system along with imminent threat of invasion that Petain was able to present himself as the national saviour. He is rightly reviled.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/10031075/boris-johnson-accused-shutting-out/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Boris Johnson’s allies accused him of shutting them out to listen to Leave guru Dominic Cummings and girlfriend Carrie Symonds

BORIS Johnson’s long-standing allies have accused him of shutting them out to only listen to Leave campaign guru Dominic Cummings and girlfriend Carrie Symonds.

The Sun can reveal that the PM has had bitter rows with his two oldest political friends, Sir Lynton Crosby and Will Walden.

Some senior ministers close to Mr Johnson also now say their advice is being ignored by him.

Mr Johnson is now “no longer listening” to the Aussie election guru and his former City Hall communications boss after both clashed with him over Ms Symonds’ strong influence, it was claimed last night.

Sir Lynton and Mr Walden also both urged him against a head-on collision course with Parliament by suspending it, warning him that it could end in disaster.

But Mr Johnson also ignored that to stick with the aggressive strategy of his most senior No10 adviser Dominic Cummings.

One former close ally of the PM’s told The Sun: “The Cummings experiment has palpably failed, but Boris will not turn the ship.

“He’s only listening to two voices now, Dominic and Carrie – and Dominic’s approach is proving a car crash. We’re getting really worried”.

Chris Curtis @chriscurtis94
Feels a bit early in the cycle, but good to see we already have the "Lynton covering his own arse" story out there.

Am intrigued by the Fail's sudden interest in 'female carer's' mental health

I was wondering if the French link was how they will explain that France will not allow our Army to set foot...it'll be the way we would have managed scuppered by those pesky Remainers!