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Per BBC website:
"Ireland's Taoiseach Leo Varadkar lists five ways to avoid a north-south border:

• A united Ireland
• Ireland rejoining the UK
• UK deciding to stay in the EU
• The "Norway plus" model
• The backstop

"The best one is, of course, the backstop", he adds"

Have to ask why he doesn't prefer UK staying in EU or Norway plus? - perhaps he and rEU are rather attached to cake and eat it in their favour? Almost tempted to vote Remain in any 2nd Ref just to spite them.

Update from the EU

Sounds fair enough to me Parker.

A new proposal has been made and therefore the other side has a think, hopefully they can meet more in the middle and hey presto we have a deal.

I don’t think there will be a deal. The sides are too far apart and I don’t think the UK will improve their proposals before the deadline for the extension request.

Irish prime minister says the Brexit proposal being put forward is "not promising" and "does not appear to form the basis for an agreement."

No deal it is then.

DUP's response to Varadker & Coveney:

"The flippant Dublin reaction to the Prime Minister’s proposals has also exposed the reality that the Irish government would never have consented to the United Kingdom leaving the backstop if it had been implemented.”

I agree tbh - the reaction from Ireland & EU does seem to suggest that the backstop was indeed an eternal trap for UK

Dirty - an extension at the end of the month rather than a no deal. Boris will have to comply with the Benn Bill.

Oh right. Tbh I’m totally confused by the whole thing now.

Seriously Dusty, would you agree to the government voting every 4 years about the single market and after all that the Lib democrats (who were completely against brexit) have the all over veto so could demand the UK go back into the single market!! Do you think that would lead to any form of stability?
Yet you expect the EU and the Irish government to allow the DUP have a final say on something that would affect businesses in the island of Ireland. And don't let's get started with the custom checks and the magic technology that doesn't exist. This plan was set up to fail.

I agree tbh - the reaction from Ireland & EU does seem to suggest that the backstop was indeed an eternal trap for UK

FFS - the backstop would only ever be an issue if we didn’t come up with a technological border.

The reality is Leavers have always, and continue to believe that ‘they need us more than we need them’ and such a border wouldn’t be necessary as we’d eventually get our ‘cake and eat it deal’

Is it sinking in yet?

They don’t need us more than we need them.

They might wish we weren’t leaving but they won’t risk the integrity of the CU/ SM to appease us.

Bear.

Is it sinking in the that the eu politicians care more about the eu project than the actual nuts and bolts working of it?

Nope - not at all. Because that only in the head of Leavers.

You’re being played and you simply can’t see it.

" 'The flippant Dublin reaction to the Prime Minister’s proposals has also exposed the reality that the Irish government would never have consented to the United Kingdom leaving the backstop if it had been implemented.”

I agree tbh - the reaction from Ireland & EU does seem to suggest that the backstop was indeed an eternal trap for UK"

That's what is technically called absolute bollocks.

Have the EU/Ireland not yet realised the backstop is a dead dodo?

Have they also not realised that the state of politics in this country is such that actually nothing would now get a majority. Its all about party campaigning for an imaginary (date TBC by JC when it’s convenient for him)) election on Brexit ideals ranging from Labours bespoke cake and eat it to Lib Dem’s let’s not bother at all.

I think the EU would be doing us a favour by not extending tbh.

I think the EU would be doing us a favour by not extending tbh

Maybe Boris could give a bung to another EU country to use their veto on any extension.

Why are you people that voted for a vague proposal in 2016 so sure that taking away others rights is so worth it. The only good deal is the one we have now. Revoke and Remain is the only way forward.

I would be over the moon with a revoke and remain but unfortunately it looks like the UK is heading towards a no exit disaster either at the end of the month or at a future date.

FFS - the backstop would only ever be an issue if we didn’t come up with a technological border.

Which is why the very people who said there was a tech solution didn’t want the backstop - they knew very well that they were talking bollocks when they farted on about “digital solutions” and “frictionless borders”.

However, I don’t understand the EU response posted above.

They say it needs further work, but then they go on to say that the backstop can’t be replaced with “untested arrangements” (impossible, since there are literally no arrangements that have been tested).

So, which is it? It can be tweaked and worked on, or it’s a complete non-starter?

I wish we’d get some straight talk from someone. Anyone.

Honestly, I’m sick to back of teeth of the lot of them, whether they’re EU or UK. I just don’t believe that any of them have anything but a minimal concern for the people they’re supposed to be representing.

I think the EU are showing their true colours. They have no interest in alternative arrangements. They will only accept an agreement that traps the UK in the EU forever.

Regrettably we have no choice but to leave with no deal, because remainers and the EU will never agree a deal that involves us actually leaving. Democracy in the EU is dead. The question is about whether or not the UK can escape and resurrect it for ourselves.

The most sensible thing would be to revoke or get a long extension and then come up with a well thought out, fully costed plan. After all if something is worth doing , it is worth doing well

The EU haven’t stopped the UK leaving. They’ve done that all themselves. The International Trade Secretary hasn’t got a clue!

www.indy100.com/article/liz-truss-brexit-no-deal-radio-video-latest-9138126

Regrettably we have no choice but to leave with no deal, because remainers and the EU will never agree a deal that involves us actually leaving.
Do Leavers ever take any responsibility for anything, ever? Leave MPs have been instrumental in bringing us to this state, along with the insistence of having arbitrary 'red lines' that took no account of any other type of possible arrangement, including many that were mooted during the referendum campaign, and certainly took no account of the fact that half the voting population were unikely to 'get behind' (to use Leave parlance) a damaging Brexit. When will Leavers grow up and acknowledge that this has all been so difficult because they voted for fuck knows what and still haven't been able to articulate any actual benefit to the general public/the country as a whole.

Jean-Claude Juncker has called on the British government to publish its Brexit plan in full after Boris Johnson was accused by Ireland’s prime minister of misleading parliament over the impact on the Irish border.

The move came on a dramatic day during which Johnson’s hopes of securing a deal by the time of a crunch summit appeared to unravel:

The European parliament’s Brexit steering group insisted the UK proposals did not “even remotely” amount to an acceptable deal for the EU.
Donald Tusk, the European council president, said Brussels was “unconvinced” by Johnson’s plans, and offered the EU’s full solidarity with Ireland amid claims that Dublin was under pressure to compromise.
The EU agreed to set David Frost, the prime minister’s chief negotiator, a deadline of one week to offer fresh solutions on the key sticking points.
Arlene Foster, leader of the Democratic Unionist party, which has given its backing to Johnson’s plans, insisted that the Irish taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, would “go down in history as the man that instituted a hard border on the island of Ireland” if he failed to swallow the UK’s proposals.
Johnson’s plans for a whistle-stop tour of EU capitals was put in peril after failing to fix meetings with both the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and Emmanuel Macron, the president of France, due to “scheduling problems”.
Juncker’s call came after the European commission president spoke on the phone to Varadkar. He then issued a statement saying the two men agreed that the UK should open the legal text tabled on Wednesday to public scrutiny.

Are you suggesting that the 17.4 million didn't vote for no deal Fangirl?

I sometimes struggle to keep up with what 'leavers' did actually vote for a few years ago and what that actually means now ? No deal is better than a bad deal ? or no deal is better than any deal ? No deal is what the nasty EU made us do to ourselves ?