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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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Random18 · 25/09/2019 23:15

Dan Hodges

I never thought I’d type these words. But if someone doesn’t get a grip of Boris Johnson and his No.10 operation I’m voting for Jeremy Corbyn.

I think the referendum result has to be respected. But at any price? Literally nothing else matters? The rule of law. Basic decency towards the family and friends of a murdered MP. Respect for our fundamental principles and institutions. By any means necessary now?

Random18 · 25/09/2019 23:18

Nicky Morgan

I know the PM is aware of & sympathetic about the threats far too many of us have received because I shared with him recently the threats I am getting. But at a time of strong feelings we all need to remind ourselves of the effect of everything we say on those watching us.

He's went to far tonight. I hope this is the beginning of the end of BJ as PM

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 25/09/2019 23:22

I was out at a meeting tonight and missed all this but wow.

And finally Nicky Morgan speaks slightly against Johnson. If nothing else will tell you how bad things are going for him, that should.

RedToothBrush · 25/09/2019 23:24

So what have I missed today?

No don't answer that. I just logged into twitter and seen enough.

Johnson is irresponsible enough to get people killed in the pursuit of power. That's what pursuing No Deal means. Its merely a question of who.

That's what power crazed dictators do, so why should we be surprised by one who has ambitions of being one. And yes, why else shut down parliament unless that's your intention whether by accident or design.

The thing that's shocking tonight is to see the reaction of MPs and journalists for whom all this comes as a revelation. Yet they know the man, and know what he's capable of, even if they like him/support him.

A man who abuses power in the way he did with prorogation, and all the other times we know about in the past; Carrie, his wife, getting sacked, his time as Mayor, white elephant bridges...

... Was always going to be a dangerous prospect as PM.

No one took responsibility to stop that. It suited the Tory party and it suited the sales of newspapers....

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TheABC · 25/09/2019 23:24

He's a desperate fuckwit. The taunting, offensive language, flouting of law: it's all a ploy to get a GE agreed and Brexit out.

There is no other plan. He wants everyone to unite against him in disgust for a VONC, so he can go to the country before the polls turn against him. Who cares how many bodies he needs to walk over to get there? At this stage, I can't think of anyone he would not throw under the bus.

RedToothBrush · 25/09/2019 23:26

He's went to far tonight. I hope this is the beginning of the end of BJ as PM

I'm not sure your paying attention.

Outrage hasn't harmed Trump.

Many will lap this up and being tough and telling the uppity women to shut up or get back in the kitchen and let the real men get on with the important work.

Tomorrow it'll be forgotten. Another story will drop and we'll all move on.

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RedToothBrush · 25/09/2019 23:32

Ayesha Hazarika @ayezhahazarika
Apart from unresolvable issues on Brexit what tonight’s debate showed was that the culture wars are well & truly here. The Trump Bannon playbook is cranking up. Nothing is off limit. No boundaries. No decency. Strap yourselves in folks, things are going to get very very ugly

If there's one thing that Brits are good at, it's throwing insults and hurling abuse. We have developed our language to do this as skillfully as possible.

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Random18 · 25/09/2019 23:34

RTB there does seem to be a change in mood tonight - I hope its not forgotten tomorrow.

RosinaAlmaviva · 25/09/2019 23:34

Thanks Dusty. There seems to be an apostrophe in "20,000" rather than a comma. Great example for the kids!

What do you think he’ll be like as PM?

Odd question, BJ has been PM for a while now. I am guessing this was prepared for an election campaign, and although an election has not yet been called, they've released it anyway. But it must be a first. A party political broadcast in primary schools?

Rachel Johnson has said the family don't talk politics, otherwise it would be two against one. She must have the patience of a saint, I'd have gone NC by this point.

RedToothBrush · 25/09/2019 23:34

Dan Hodges @danhodges
I think the referendum result has to be respected. But at any price? Literally nothing else matters? The rule of law. Basic decency towards the family and friends of a murdered MP. Respect for our fundamental principles and institutions. By any means necessary now?

Johnson is the creation of the tabloid media. We had Jade Goody and that was fun. Now we have the celebrity politician.

We deserve Boris Johnson as our MP as a nation.

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ContinuityError · 25/09/2019 23:36

I see what Jo Maugham says but what does that actually mean?

I’m taking it as meaning that if Johnson ignores the Burt Benn act then he’ll find himself in court?

RedToothBrush · 25/09/2019 23:36

RTB there does seem to be a change in mood tonight - I hope its not forgotten tomorrow.

For the hardliners Brexit is 30 years in the making.

Today won't change that.

Tomorrow there will see be no deal, an exit on 31st Oct, and a future GE to win.

Nothing else matters.

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prettybird · 25/09/2019 23:38

He's trying to taunt and goad them enough that they'll do the VoNC without the confirmed extension.

On reflection, I'm wondering if he deliberately chose to continue to use "Surrender" and other similarly inflammatory words and statements (such as "honouring Jo Cox with Brexit" Hmm) as part of his Cummings plan to provoke the Opposition to go for the VONC, without the necessary safeguards because he can't be trusted Angry

He's not going to succeed. The serious note of the Points of Order which he ran away from at the end will have helped stiffen resolve.

ChattyLion · 25/09/2019 23:39

It’s absolutely sickening hearing talk like this in the Commons from a Prime Minister. I have no time for Corbyn normally but a cross-party language moderation pact like that he suggested is a good idea and Bercow is quite right to support it.

Of course Boris Johnson will make a show of rejecting it and laughing at it but it’s not right to let his disgusting attitude pass without condemnation.

We are already on political events warp speed but this is only the start of the run up to October 19th (and 31st), so the PM must stop this.

Random18 · 25/09/2019 23:45

RTB one thing he has guaranteed tonight is that we will not be leaving 31st October with a deal unless there is a referndum attached to it.

Will it be No Deal or Extension ? - who knows but I think BJ is not that clever and Cummings has not anticipated how bloody good Parliament can be at times

cherin · 25/09/2019 23:51

Newsnight was interesting, the journalist was really direct and of the 4 reps of the various parties 3 were shocked, the Tory one at some point trying to justify BJ (something along the lines of “he must have been tired, he’s tense too”) but you could tell from a mile away he didn’t believe what he wa saying.

RosinaAlmaviva · 25/09/2019 23:53

Cummings has not anticipated how bloody good Parliament can be at times

Nor the judiciary. What he and BJ do not respect, they underestimate.

prettybird · 26/09/2019 00:01

Rosina - well said.

thecatfromjapan · 26/09/2019 00:19

It really is so horrible.

The death threats are hideous.

It was made forcibly real to me at the Supreme Court on Tuesday.

I watched Gina Miller waiting in the doorway of the Supreme Court. She had to wait there, before she. Oils approach the microphones, because it was deemed to dangerous for her to be out of a sheltered area.

She was surrounded, for her safety. At least one of those surrounding her looked like serious private security. He kept looking everywhere for possible threats.

It was utterly devastating to see.

PerkingFaintly · 26/09/2019 00:27

I agree about Cummings underestimating Parliament and the judiciary.

But don't underestimate Cummings. He's shown time and again that Parliament and judiciary mean nothing to him.

He WANTS to burn down the institutions of the liberal democratic state, because a tyranny run by Clever Cummings is so much better than this clunky hidebound democracy and rule of law nonsense.

What he doesn't realise is that, even if he burns the state to the ground, he still won't be in charge – because just as Trump ditched Bannon, so Cummings will be ditched by whatever monster he creates. 'Twas ever thus.

tobee · 26/09/2019 00:33

So Continuity do we foresee Boris Johnson being taken away in handcuffs by a couple of coppers?

Belindabelle · 26/09/2019 00:35

I just watched a snippet of Johnson being interviewed by Peston.

He is one scary gaslighting psychopathic lying fucker. He totally refuted what Lady Hale said in the judgement and totally refused to listen when Peston tried to correct him.

It’s totally ridiculous.

Belindabelle · 26/09/2019 00:37

Never mind handcuffs, after that performance I think a straight jacket may be required before long.

horseshit · 26/09/2019 00:41

How can this be real? This man, the fucking Prime Minister, just spent three hours goading, belittling and taunting MPs over their fears for safety and grief over a murdered colleague, for what?
Because he was hoping one of them would finally snap and get him his VoNC? To further the People (BJ) v Parliament narrative, in a desperate attempt to hold on to his core of right wing voters? In the hopes of being kicked out by the Tories themselves, dodging the responsibility of being PM while still maintaining his hero status with supporters? Is he just a psychopath who genuinely enjoys watching woman after woman plead with him because she’s worried for her safety, or her children’s, or her parents’? All of the above?

What the fuck. What. The. Fuck.

colouringinpro · 26/09/2019 00:45

I missed a whole thread. But yes Johnson is a total and utter scumbag.