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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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NoWordForFluffy · 25/09/2019 20:23

Yes, flouncy, but he still has to get a majority vote against him. Which he can't.

If this doesn't get the opposition to just agree a fucking GNU, absolutely NOTHING will. (I'm on Phil and Kirstie, I can't watch BoZo without risking my TV being defenestrated!).

NoWordForFluffy · 25/09/2019 20:24

Oh, and I salute your dad, prettybird. Love it!

tobee · 25/09/2019 20:25

Just because leavers are digging their heels in does not mean we should go for no deal.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 20:26

"the fuss over 11 judges"

The principles that this or any future PM is not above the law and cannot prorogue Parliament to force through his poliicies
are a great deal more important than who wins the next GE,

because it limits the power of the next several PMs to do similar

It is about the rule of law that is required for a functioning democracy

prettybird · 25/09/2019 20:28

My dad got sent it by his 80 year old friend in Zimbabwe Grin (the one who is still having to work because hyperinflation killed his pension Sad). But dad said he's not let his 82 year old lady friend hear it as she is quite prudish! Wink My mum, on the other hand, would have loved it (and her singing voice was rather like whoever sings it Smile) Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 20:29

What an odious turd he is
Totally irresponsible and unfit for office
Shame on the Tories for electing him leader

Ian Duntt@IanDunt*

He is being urged, over and over again, to stop exasperating division.

And each time, he provides just more of it.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 20:29

BJ "The Capitulation Act"

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 20:30

Tracy Babin remonstrates now.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 25/09/2019 20:31

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CendrillonSings · 25/09/2019 20:31

I’m sure whether or not MPs lose a few weeks’ sitting time over the conference season will shape our democracy for centuries to come. If he were actually going to “force through” his policy, he’d have prorogued until Nov 1, wouldn’t he? In which case the judgement would indeed have had the significance you ascribe to it. As it is...

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 20:31

BJ, did I really hear him say the best way to honour memory of Jo Cox is to get Brexit done?

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 25/09/2019 20:32

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BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 20:33

Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn

PM’s spokesman suggests Tory MPs will be whipped to vote down their own Government if Corbyn does table a no confidence vote:

“It could be a tactical decision”
(spoiler, Corbyn won’t - it’s all a bit of a gimmick)

Corbyn tells Johnson he won’t agree to an election unless Brexit is delayed and No Deal is off the table:

“He says he wants an election. I want an election.
If he wants an election, it’s very simple. Get an extension, and we’ll have an election”.

Labour sources say Jeremy Corbyn won't table a vote of no confidence in the Government tonight,
so there will be no vote tomorrow (or a general election soon).

NoWordForFluffy · 25/09/2019 20:34

He couldn't prorogue for that long. There's already legislation meaning they have to sit in the last fortnight before 31 Oct. He knew he wouldn't get away with it.

flouncyfanny · 25/09/2019 20:34

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MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 25/09/2019 20:35

Judges are not 'involved' smile. The prorogation wasn't about Brexit...was it?

NoWordForFluffy · 25/09/2019 20:36

I sent this to my mum earlier (who's told me she's a Telegraph reader, not Mail. Which explains it!):

It's like a toddler demanding sweets. He can have them if he tidies his room, but instead he stands there demanding sweets, on and on. He can have the sweets if he tidies his room, but just won't.

ashleylamp · 25/09/2019 20:38

I wish Bercow would call on Mairhi Black. I love her.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 20:38

Once the principal is established that 5 weeks prorogation is ok, what is to stop a future PM proroging for months ?

What if your "commie" bogeyman becomes PM and prorogues Parliament for 51 weeks each year for 5 years, to remake the UK into his socialist dream ?

A long extension until 1 November would have been too blatant
BJ was hoping to get away with 2 prorogations to force No Deal through, the second being to avoid having to ask for an extension

The Supreme Court decision means that if he attempts the 2nd prorogation, the courts will immediately declare it unlawful, so we can't avoid the extension by that method.

ashleylamp · 25/09/2019 20:39

Oh give over with the apology shit. He won’t do it. Waste of time.

chomalungma · 25/09/2019 20:39

I wish Bercow would call on Mairhi Black. I love her

She is great.

CendrillonSings · 25/09/2019 20:39

It's like a toddler demanding sweets. He can have them if he tidies his room, but instead he stands there demanding sweets, on and on. He can have the sweets if he tidies his room, but just won't.

So instead mum leaves him in charge of the car, the electrics, and the mortgage while she waits for him to tidy his room...

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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 25/09/2019 20:40

Yes he did, NotALawyer

I mean what the actual fuck? I didn’t think my opinion of him could get any lower.

NoWordForFluffy · 25/09/2019 20:42

If it's going to die anyway, kick the TV!

Cendrillion, so you think we should go for a VoNC when an extension hasn't been agreed? Dangerous game unless there's a GNU ready to go. Let's hope that by tomorrow there is.