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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 18:52

Cox earlier doubling down and suggesting that SC judges should be elected as they are clearly political.

He is more than welcome to put a bill to that effect before parliament then. Which is exactly what the opposition should have suggested he do. Anytime anyone starts whinging about what they think things should be, that should be the stock response:

put a bill before parliament then

Jesus, who the fuck is running the opposition ? Dominic Cummings in a false beard and funny voice ?

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 18:53

So the tax payer funds a business that is not viable to save some jobs?

And it's the 1970s again ...

thecatfromjapan · 25/09/2019 18:54

You may have a point there, Bear. It's clear that Johnson could kidnap one of the Queen's corgis & commit an act of fellatio upon it in the HoC in lieu of PMQ, whilst reciting random words from the OED, & his devoted voters would find something commendable in the performance.

They're at the stage whereby the worse Johnson is, the harder they will work to justify their own delusion.

🤷‍♀️

Sad ... but dangerous.

Bearbehind · 25/09/2019 18:55

Sad but true cat (although that’s quite a disturbing image 😂)

flouncyfanny · 25/09/2019 18:56

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MockersthefeMANist · 25/09/2019 18:56

One likes to think the Queen's Corgis would know what to do with a felatic intrusion, even if they've already been fed.

LizzieSiddal · 25/09/2019 18:56

Have just watched Barry Sherman’s eply to Cox.

I think he speaks for many of us- so bloody angry and fed up with this shower of shysters.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 25/09/2019 18:56

So the tax payer funds a business that is not viable to save some jobs?
The tax payer is already paying for it, flights home, benefits for the newly unemployed

HesterThrale · 25/09/2019 18:56

I'm not a Corbyn fan, but I think he's doing alright.

tobee · 25/09/2019 18:58

How long should the tax payer fund Thomas Cook, a private company? And how much would that cost compared to flying people home? Unemployment benefits?

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 25/09/2019 18:59

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tobee · 25/09/2019 19:00

Why Thomas Cook? What about all the other private companies that go bust?

MockersthefeMANist · 25/09/2019 19:00

I think he has a woman problem

A bouncy Blonde one

Bearbehind · 25/09/2019 19:00

The tax payer is already paying for it, flights home, benefits for the newly unemployed

Yes, which they’d have to do in addition to a bail out if they’d gone down that route.

Who do you think would book a holiday with TC after last weekend?

It’s not like using a local supermarket who might go bust but it’s convenient while it lasts.

Holiday bookings can be taken by hundreds of companies and rely on the assurance that the company chosen is sufficiently viable to deliver the purchased product several months after it has been paid for.

TC would hav3 gone bust later even if they were bailed out now.

tobee · 25/09/2019 19:01

Lol Grinkeep em coming please Mockers

JustAnotherPoster00 · 25/09/2019 19:01

How long should the tax payer fund Thomas Cook, a private company?

No clue its not something I think is a good idea anyway tbh

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 25/09/2019 19:02

Gove's confident assertion that no-one on medicines will suffer as a result of No Deal Brexit
My doctors have suddenly become very keen to see if I can be weaned off some of the drugs I take that are on that at risk list. Whereas previously they weren't bothered at all.

tobee · 25/09/2019 19:02

Hmmm Just

Bearbehind · 25/09/2019 19:02

I’m not sure who I hate the most out of BJ and JC but the former is wiping the floor with the latter

Random18 · 25/09/2019 19:03

BJ statement was the same old crap and absolutely no substance.

JC as much as I did like him had a very good response.

BJ answers - ridiculous

flouncyfanny · 25/09/2019 19:03

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Frankiestein402 · 25/09/2019 19:04

How long should the tax payer fund Thomas Cook, a private company

Well they're still funding the banks?

Random18 · 25/09/2019 19:04

Bear when i hear BJ speak all I see is a nasty bully.

L

Bearbehind · 25/09/2019 19:04

No clue its not something I think is a good idea anyway tbh

PMSL - proof if it were ever needed that you argue with what I say simply because I said it.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 25/09/2019 19:05
Grin
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