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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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tobee · 25/09/2019 18:31

He's not going to resign then? Hmm

EllebellyBeeblebrox · 25/09/2019 18:35

Oh this is raising my blood pressure. And I can't stand Andrea loathsome.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 18:35

More of the same from Boris then.

MotherOfSoupDragons · 25/09/2019 18:38

Plus ca change...

MockersthefeMANist · 25/09/2019 18:38

I'm right. Court's wrong. This was all political.

This arrogant garbage is bordering on contempt of court.

prettybird · 25/09/2019 18:38

BJCummings has very carefully worded "more people voted for the proposition" than any previous vote except the proposition was never defined and you can't compare a binary vote with previous GE precisely because it only had two choices Confused

Plus "all parties" did not say that they would respect the vote: the SNP were patted on the head explicitly assured that the referendum was only advisory and didn't require any safeguards Angry

And the Electoral Commission has said that it would have been able to address more of the illegality that took place in the Referendum if it had been statutory rather than advisory Sad

Motheroffourdragons · 25/09/2019 18:39

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prettybird · 25/09/2019 18:40

He is shit scared that his war gaming is falling apart around his ears. But his goading is not going to trigger the early GE he so desperately wants.

EllebellyBeeblebrox · 25/09/2019 18:40

Has he actually discussed the Supreme Court's ruling or has he just been on the attack

SkaraBrae · 25/09/2019 18:41

Dither and delay again... Hmm

MockersthefeMANist · 25/09/2019 18:41

It's all calculated that the 'real people' will be impressed by this claptrap.

The problem is the number of 'unreal' people with votes who will be turned off.

SkaraBrae · 25/09/2019 18:41

He has. He said that he utterly respects the judiciary but they were wrong.

MockersthefeMANist · 25/09/2019 18:43

Has he actually discussed the Supreme Court's ruling?

He has specifically suggested that the prorogation was not jusiticiable and the court got it wrong.

Well that's them told.

Bearbehind · 25/09/2019 18:44

He is doing exactly as expected - doubling down and rousing the troops.

His ratings will soar after this.

The best thing JC could do is stand up and resign.

EllebellyBeeblebrox · 25/09/2019 18:44

He really is the most arrogant toad.

RHTawneyonabus · 25/09/2019 18:44

Cox earlier doubling down and suggesting that SC judges should be elected as they are clearly political. Obviously finding it hard to control the rage, he would have done much better to bide his time on that view.

Reported that he also said by the standards of the ruling ‘most’ prorogations of last 100 years would have been illegal which is plainly bollox by any reading of that judgment

Bearbehind · 25/09/2019 18:47

I loathe Corbyn - why the fuck would the government have stepped in to save Thomas Cook?

As ever he misses the fucking point.

MockersthefeMANist · 25/09/2019 18:47

Like Trump, his approval and disapproval ratings will go up.

If you bother to listen, it makes no sense: He wants to 'get Brexit done,' and wants to negotiate a deal, but he also wants a general election before Oct 31 which you assume would divert some of his attention and which would risk the loss of Brexit.

He also thinks that parliament should 'stand aside' and let him get on with it, which is really not how it works.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 25/09/2019 18:47

The best thing JC could do is stand up and resign.

Wait what now?

Cool story Bear you are a card

TokyoSushi · 25/09/2019 18:48

Surely something (a VONC?) needs to happen, we can't carry on like this running down the clock until end October!

Bearbehind · 25/09/2019 18:49

If you bother to listen

I have ‘bothered’ to listen

It matters not what he actually says, it’s how his supporters perceive it and the fact there are more of them than for any other party.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 25/09/2019 18:49

I loathe Corbyn - why the fuck would the government have stepped in to save Thomas Cook?

Concern for peoples livelihoods id suppose, its called compassion Bear, I realise its not in the Tory lexicon

prettybird · 25/09/2019 18:50

Reported that he also said by the standards of the ruling ‘most’ prorogations of last 100 years would have been illegal which is plainly bollox by any reading of that judgment

Unfortunately, most people will accept what he said at face value and won't actually check it out to find out that it is indeed total bollocks. Angry

The Lords and Ladyships were very clear that "normal" short prorogations are compatible with our constitutional democracy.

MockersthefeMANist · 25/09/2019 18:50

Corbyn is as intellectually nimble as a sloth on mogadon, reading his statement someone prepared earlier for him.

If we get the politicians we deserve, we must have been very bad indeed.

Bearbehind · 25/09/2019 18:51

Concern for peoples livelihoods id suppose, its called compassion Bear, I realise its not in the Tory lexicon

So the tax payer funds a business that is not viable to save some jobs?

Fucking ridiculous.

I do feel for the TC employees but no government can be expected to bail TC out.