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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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Socksontheradiator · 25/09/2019 15:54

Nothing new there then, re Gove. The fact that lib dems and Labour in particular are so desperate to stop No Deal surely tells us he's talking rubbish?

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 15:55

According to Tommy Sheppard SNP it was originally a " base line" scenario ApileofBallhoo. TS was sharp enough but Gove doing pretty good on the body swerves here ime.
Benn back in on it now.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 16:04

Dominic Grieve back on asking specifics of when base case changed to worst case. Dates et al.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 16:06

Anna Soubry now saying he has not answered question about alterations to document.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 16:07

She is asking about
Operation Kingfisher
Operation Snow Bunting
and taking the piss, she asks about Op Dodo, Ostrich and Blue Tit.

Gove still cool.

CrunchyCarrot · 25/09/2019 16:10

JRM has nipped out - prolly getting his nightcap, pyjamas and Boris teddy.

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 16:12

How about operation Orwell Mayhem Grin

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 16:13
Grin
Ellie56 · 25/09/2019 16:17

Op Dodo, Ostrich and Blue Tit. Grin Grin

Hasenstein · 25/09/2019 16:21

Has Gove given a direct answer to any of the specific questions yet? God, he's a slippery sod.

LarkDescending · 25/09/2019 16:21

Anyone want a creative diversion courtesy of Led By Donkeys? Apologies if already posted.

prettybird · 25/09/2019 16:23

He is unfortunately one of the most adept of the Conservative Front Bench. Hmm

The English are welcome to him Wink

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 25/09/2019 16:23

Ooooh lark. I went by that the other day

Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament
derxa · 25/09/2019 16:24

On a Labour front bench filled with brown-noses and twats, Starmer shows alarming signs of competence. He's so much better than all of them

MockersthefeMANist · 25/09/2019 16:25

The English are welcome to him

It's known as the Independence Deterrent: Stay with the Union or Gove will be deported back where he came from.

....Now gearing up for Bozza at half past.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 16:27

As far as I can tell, he has confirmed to S Crabb for Preseli that our oil refineries will face higher tariffs, and to Soubry that Op Yellowhammer does still exist. Hasenstein
He is rather good at appearing to answer, but it is not specific when you look at what he actually says.

Defo looking to be a PM this time round.

Bearbehind · 25/09/2019 16:28

Apparently BJ isn’t going to be on until about 6 now

Hasenstein · 25/09/2019 16:32

and to Soubry that Op Yellowhammer does still exist

But she asked (following Dominic Grieve's previous quetsion) precisely when and by whom the title of the Yellowhammer was changed from base to worst case scenario.

Two specific and targeted questions he has simply ignored.

Now Chris Leslie is asking the same. and he's been fobbed off, too.

tobee · 25/09/2019 16:34

Apparently BJ isn’t going to be on until about 6 now

Hmmmm 🤔

tobee · 25/09/2019 16:36

Sorry Bear I'm still not sure how to highlight quotes in copy & paste Blush

prettybird · 25/09/2019 16:36

It's actually a very unpleasant feeling knowing that we are living through a period which will be studied by future historians asking, "What the fuck were they thinking?!"

Sad
Apileofballyhoo · 25/09/2019 16:38

I think Gove's delivery is amazing. He really packs in the words per second. It's hard to pick out what he's saying amidst the jumble of big words.

tobee · 25/09/2019 16:39

How to reconcile the fact that "democracy is a good thing. Countries without democracy =bad" and "no one who needs your vote should be in charge of anything"? It's the perennial question. Confused

Bearbehind · 25/09/2019 16:42

I think Gove's delivery is amazing. He really packs in the words per second. It's hard to pick out what he's saying amidst the jumble of big words.

Agreed. He has a very different style to BJ.

He still hasn’t actually answered anything though

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 16:47

Even now, I suspect Gove is working out how to oust Boris and snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. I also suspect that despite all indications to the contrary, he's just as cynical about Brexit as Boris, and would happily cancel it, if it resulted in him being the PM who saved Britain.

Following that, his task now is to steer Boris into an extension without Boris thinking it's a trap. Luckily Boris has already laid the groundwork on that one by being so resolutely against it, that a U-turn would seem natural. After all, he's only just told us how much he doesn't want an election, before changing his mind.

Goves other job would be to work out which way the cabinet will fall ...