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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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JuneFromBethesda · 25/09/2019 16:48

Gove is a slippery fucker. He's smarter than Johnson that's for sure. This is a masterclass in how to avoid answering questions.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 16:49

Supply of medicines question from Janet Danby Labour

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 16:50

Gove " appropriate steps have been taken" waffle wibble,
And next please...

zebrasdontwearbras · 25/09/2019 16:50

Why the hell isn't Keir Starmer leader of the opposition??

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 16:52

Policing is a matter for Chief Constables, another body swerve.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 16:54

Tracy Babin Labour
"Can you assure me that no one on medicines will suffer because of a No deal Brexit?"
Gove. " Yes" and sits down.
Next....

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 16:55

Sounds like Gove is doing a much better job than Boris. Let's just hope that Boris doesn't see it as a threat in anyway, and do Something Stupid.

If I had a fleet of trollbots at my disposal, I'd be bigging Gove up so much it trends ...

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 16:55

Can't bear this. Off to drill a hole in the wall in the kitchen.

kingsassassin · 25/09/2019 16:57

Marina Hyde

zebrasdontwearbras · 25/09/2019 16:58

God they just lie through their teeth, don't they? He must know medicine shortages are a risk of No Deal. What's more, he must know that we know it Hmm

minesagin37 · 25/09/2019 16:58

Jees aren't people easily impressed by turds!

Hasenstein · 25/09/2019 17:01

He's determined not to answer the question of the Yellowhammer name change date. Heide Allen's just had a go, with the same obfuscation in response.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 17:05

Sylvia Hermon Ind North Down (NI) asking Yellowhammer doc question about potential rise in criminalityi n NI.
Is he going to tell her there will be a " roadshow"? She says sarkily.

Grove agrees risk to communities "so we need to do everything we can to support a deal and operate in a way that promotes peace"

Wiffle waffle. Next..

Arrrgh. Unbelievable this.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 17:06

KLAXON !!

Labour conference has voted UNANIMOUSLY to back FOM

This would clear the way for Labour to get a Norway++ type of PD and then future trade deal
The ECJ requirements for the FOM & SM shouldn't be a sticking point for Labour - FOM was the biggie

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 17:06

Gove is slick as snot and nowhere near as tasty

CrunchyCarrot · 25/09/2019 17:13

Arrgh, I pity Gove's wife.

Imaginary conversation

"Michael, what do you want for dinner tonight?"

"I want to stress that it's very important to have a balanced diet and I want to thank the Honorable Wife for the sterling work she does in the kitchen."

"Yes but what do you want for dinner? Stew? Roast? Chops?"

"Well I want to reassure you that a plethora of foodstuffs will be maintained and that all efforts will be undertaken."

Exasperated sigh. "I really need to know what it is you want, dear. I have to make specific preparations and I can't do that when you get home for dinner! It will be too late!"

"The honorable wife makes a good point, but analysis shows that there will be ample time, stress testing has shown that, and I want to emphasise that there will be plenty of commodities available."

Daggers look. "Takeaway it is again, then."

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 17:13

Breaking news. Hole drilled in wrong place, my fault, mucho grief from H.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 17:15

Crunchy Grin

pigeononthegate · 25/09/2019 17:19

Don'r waste your pity on Gove's wife, she's even more satanic than he is.

Apparently the morning after the referendum, she greeted him at the bottom of the stairs with a glass of champagne and "You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!"

I'm so utterly sick of this shower of lying over-privileged sociopaths. If it weren't for the GFA - and the vulnerable people who will die - a part of me would be thinking "just leave with no deal then, and we can all see what a clusterfuck it is". That's what I've been reduced to. Sad Angry

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 17:19

No biggie, lawyer So long as the hole wasn't drilled in a body part

Bearbehind · 25/09/2019 17:20

It turns out everyone ‘is making a very important point’

It’s so infuriating.

CrunchyCarrot · 25/09/2019 17:22

Apparently the morning after the referendum, she greeted him at the bottom of the stairs with a glass of champagne and "You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!"

Grin Grin Grin

They deserve each other then!

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 17:24

Don't waste your pity on Gove's wife, she's even more satanic than he is.

Stewart Lee's gag (suggesting that after David Cameron put his penis in a pigs mouth, Michael Gove had to outdo him by putting his penis in a Daily Mail journalist ...) was spot on ...

thecatfromjapan · 25/09/2019 17:25

The Labour FOM motion is making me very happy.

I wrote out longer thoughts on it a couple of threads ago, so right here, I'm just going to be happy.

lonelyplanetmum · 25/09/2019 17:26

I actually felt a little sorry today for Brexiteer voters. They are all still there defending their leaders right to silence parliament metaphorically still singing to their leaders:

" I'd do anything for you dear anything, for you mean everything to me..."

Then you look at Gove for example and think Hmmm are his supporters feelings reciprocated- would he do anything for them in return?

If you were in his camp you'd have nagging doubts wouldn't you? Would Gove have your back if needed? He'd be more likely to have the shirt off your back. Ditto other Leave politicians....

Mark Francois, Farage, Dick Braine, Rees Mogg, Tommy Robinson,Johnson , Aaron Banks, David Davis, Iain Duncan Smith, Dominic Raab, Dominic Cummings, Andrea Leadsom etc.

Would they do anything for you?