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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 10:28

Louise I thought the 12 month rule was only after calling a leadership VoNC,
not after a leadership election
but I can't find the full set of rules

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 25/09/2019 10:29

I've set the Parliament channel to record from 1130 as I don't want to miss it or more importantly my Bercow fix Grin Order! Ds still calls this out. We will miss Bercow when he stands down or kneels down as ds says Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 10:30

Anyway, May was forced out by the 1922 Committee telling her that MPs had lost all confiidence in her,
despite being immune from a fromal leadership VoNC

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 10:31

I did like the comment that 52% of the referendum voters can't expect to carry 100% of the spoils.

That should have been headline news June 24th 2016.

kingsassassin · 25/09/2019 10:34

@Prettybird - I think Milton Friedman is where is all went wrong.

graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/business/miltonfriedman1970.pdf

He argued in 1970 that the (one and only) social responsibility of business was to increase its profits and that was supercharged by bonuses given to senior staff if they made shareholders money. Danone boss "Mr Faber says from the 1980s the economy, “instead of serving people, started to really serve finance and all the processes — the governance, the incentives, the stock options, the compensation committees, the independent boards — went in the same direction”.

Interesting article in the FT about it : it

prettybird · 25/09/2019 10:34

So there are going to be 5 oral statements today, including BJCummings giving an update to parliament.

LouiseCollins28 · 25/09/2019 10:34

True BigChoc she was, but she did resign. I could only see Boris doing that after either fighting a GE and losing or possibly as an alternative to being forced into requesting an Article 50 extension, and the second one I wouldn't bet on.

prettybird · 25/09/2019 10:36

I was never a Friedman fan: I was always a (prudent) Keynesian Grin

MockersthefeMANist · 25/09/2019 10:39

I was never a Friedman fan

Well, You can thank your lucky stars that we're not as smart as we like to think we are.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 25/09/2019 10:40

Johnson has landed apparently. I'm assuming in Britain.

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 10:41

I think it was DGR who pointed out that without money to smooth transactions, we'd be back to a simple barter economy.

Not quite - I just asked if money was the worst human invention ever ... which was soundly rebuffed by Cedrillion - (and rightly so) since money does enable society.

However the point I was making, was by basically inventing money, we also invented the concept of a society where you can't build your own home, or till the land to feed yourself. You need money in order to do so, and that almost seamlessly leads to feudalism.

And the appropriate proverb is For the love of money is the root of all evil.

However, there seems to be a biological basis for money, since other species - primates certainly - can grasp the concept of a "token" representing purchasing power and act accordingly. And just to stir up a debate that is best held elsewhere, bonobos have been observed using sex for money - and vice-versa. Which raises a whole host of deeper questions that aren't going to be solved on this thread.

www.zmescience.com/research/how-scientists-tught-monkeys-the-concept-of-money-not-long-after-the-first-prostitute-monkey-appeared/

prettybird · 25/09/2019 10:42

Pressed post by accident.

I thought it was immoral quite apart from the dubious (imho Wink) economics behind it.

Even the "need" Hmm for austerity economics is based on a mistake a dubious economic model Angry

Why the fuck do people believe that "trickle down" economics was ever a sensible policy - unless they themselves were going to benefit from it Angry

Why do rich people, who can't possibly spend all their money, need to be incentivised with more money, whereas poor people need to have less money to be incentivised? Confused

And breeeeeaaathe Grin

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead · 25/09/2019 10:50

Kenyans reporting on the UK as we report on them, rather shows how far this shit show has sent us...

MockersthefeMANist · 25/09/2019 10:54

You need to delve a little into NeoCon philosophy. Friedman (Milton, not Dean) was part of the "Chicago School" with Leo Strauss and Fred Hayek. Most informed folk know about Hayek and his views on reducing the role of the state, so admired by Thatcher, but Strauss has gone under the radar.

Strauss was looking at Hegel and Nietzsche and concluded that the common folk needed something to believe in, if not religion then some simple dualistic narrative about goodies in white hats defeating baddies in black hats, etc. The 'Supermen' meanwhile, so beloved of Ayn Rand, would live their lives according to different rules. They recognised a more Machiavellian world of calculation, alliances and sucess through deceit.

So the proles would be fed a patriotic myth about our national greatness compared to all those beastly foreigners who don't like us because they aren't like us, and the Gods of Olympus would sit above it all in their mansions on high, enjoying the fruits of other people's labours as they deserved on account of being superior, safe in the knowledge that only the little people pay taxes.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 25/09/2019 11:08

Very late PMK

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 11:09

First question is supposed to be from Joanna Cherry re legal advice.
I think.

LouiseCollins28 · 25/09/2019 11:13

Will be interesting to see who Speaker Bercow chooses UQs from.

derxa · 25/09/2019 11:16

concluded that the common folk needed something to believe in, if not religion then some simple dualistic narrative about goodies in white hats defeating baddies in black hats much like on this thread then.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 11:18

JSwinson giving press conference. Hugely important Parliament in session today etc. BJ not fit to be PM. We should explore all options.

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 11:21

JSwinson giving press conference. Hugely important Parliament in session today etc. BJ not fit to be PM. We should explore all options.

Is that "we" as in everyone else, or "we" as in - myself included, and that means a Corbyn PM if necessary ?

Nuance is all.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 11:23

I got the impression she wasn't ruling anything out DGR

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 11:27

SNP keen for no confidence vote but want to put pressure on Corbyn to call for NC v even before 31st withGE after. Shambles and need to change PM etc.

Belindabelle · 25/09/2019 11:35

I have so much to do today but I just can’t help myself. Here we go.

TokyoSushi · 25/09/2019 11:36

Lucy Plint
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Lots going on the Commons today - here's a best guess of timings:
1130 UQ: Joanna Cherry to Geoffrey Cox on legal advice
1230 UQ: Layla Moran on Hacker House
1330 Shapps on Thomas Cook
1430 Gove on Yellowhammer
1530 Raab on Iran
1630 PM statement
1830 JRM business statement

zebrasdontwearbras · 25/09/2019 11:38

Yay - Bercow's back Grin Brew

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