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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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Belindabelle · 25/09/2019 11:38

Bercow’s tan has faded a lot.

zebrasdontwearbras · 25/09/2019 11:39

Perhaps he's spent the last 10 days lying in a darkened room. I know I would if I could Grin

prettybird · 25/09/2019 11:40

Cox's voice gives me the rage Angry

....as does his obfuscation in answering Cherry's very clear question. Angry

DarlingNikita · 25/09/2019 11:42

Just had the misfortune to hear Gove on LBC. He is definitely on manoeuvres. Yes, I thought that when he crawled out of the woodwork this morning.

Cummings is still very quiet, isn't he? It's making me nervous.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 11:43

Cherry back with supplementary. She is good.

kingsassassin · 25/09/2019 11:48

a funny what if...

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 11:49

Nick Thomas-Symonds Shadow Solicitor General asking why there was no witness statement before the courts.

tobee · 25/09/2019 11:49

I thought we were told, by esteemed posters, yesterday, that no Tory MPs would be attending parliament today?

BlueEyeshadow · 25/09/2019 11:49

Bible/translation nerd hat on - a better translation of the verse is "the love of money is A root of ALL KINDS OF evil", which is hard to argue with!

www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/1%20Timothy%206:10

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 11:51

Cox getting rattled. Loads of heckling.

derxa · 25/09/2019 11:56

I love how Theresa May sits next to Kenneth Clarke. Inside she must be laughing her head off. A fundamentally decent woman who tried to get a Brexit deal and was stymied by self interested idiots at every turn.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 11:56

Dominic Grieve on, for him (Cox) to get the law wrong not necessarily to his discredit, but also there is the issue of a matter of propriety which goes to nature of act of prorogation.
DG also struck, in leaked document, as to Cox's comments therein re prorogation given his (Cox's) earlier statement to contrary that it would be UNconstitutional?

Wibble waffle from Cox.

Belindabelle · 25/09/2019 11:57

Are you all familiar with the game “Good Guy: Wank”, as seen on the Scottish comedy programme Chewing the Fat?

I am playing that today whilst watching Parliament.

HunkyDory69 · 25/09/2019 12:00

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prettybird · 25/09/2019 12:00

GrinGrinGrin Belinda

Brilliant. I shall start playing too Grin

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 12:00

Bible/translation nerd hat on

For a long term atheist, I appear to have picked up a lot of liturgical literature, after all, it's just the RFC or ISO statements of their days. Given that very very few "Christians" can actually quote chapter and verse these days (we have lost so much) it can be fun to see how much you can sneak past people before they twig.

The funniest thing is how few people when presented with a slightly iffy quote (but it says in the Bible: let not ye protests maketh others sad, but still thy voice that the Lord may hear ) think to use the smartphone in their pocket (which they'll use for hours to post on Facebook) and check it out.

I say "funny" I mean dangerously sad.

MmeBufo · 25/09/2019 12:03

pmk

GeistohneGrenzen · 25/09/2019 12:03

PMK and RTB, I wish I had your stamina Smile Flowers

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 12:04

Sidetracking, but not too much, have just completed the joke that is the electoral registration process in Brum. Get this:

  1. They post a letter to "the occupant".
  2. That letter has Code1, and Code2, plus the properties postcode (obviously - it was posted)
  3. all you need to do, is go to a .co.uk (not .gov.uk) site, enter code1, code2, and your postcode, and you have access to that properties electoral details - including the buttons to add or remove electors, and submit the whole lot.

Can anyone see anything wrong with this system (which remains unchanged since I last complained about it 2 years ago) ????

TheElementsSong · 25/09/2019 12:04

I thought we were told, by esteemed posters, yesterday, that no Tory MPs would be attending parliament today?

You mean they were full of shit? I’m so surprised.

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 12:06

60 Argos stores closing ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49822845

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 12:07

And Wrightbus gone under

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49818156

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 12:10

Meanwhile, Laura "the K" (as no one calls her) has been digging deep

Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament
MockersthefeMANist · 25/09/2019 12:10

"Where is Dominic Cummings?"

He's conducting a leak enquiry into himself over the AG's legal advice. He's checked his own phone and found nothing but decided that he's guilty anyway and ordered the police to escort hmself out of the building.

HunkyDory69 · 25/09/2019 12:12

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