Westministenders: Boris Johnson Broke The Law

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ITS OFFICIAL
The Highest Court in the Land has ruled that Boris Johnson has broken the law.

Parliament is Sovereign.

Despite the calls for his resignation it is highly unlikely he will under the current political climate.

It must be stressed that the judgement was UNAMINOUS and went further than most expected, and took the hardest possible line again the government

The power now lies with the Speakers of the Lords and Commons to decide when Parliament reopens.

It also means that all the bills which were ended by proroguation are now back in play.

Expect a full backlash from the hard right attacking the courts are going full on 'enemies of the people'. This will be NASTY

The strength of this ruling does pretty much rule out another proroguation as the courts are liable to throw it out immediately if they try it on again.

Johnson is in New York. He needs to get on a plane very quickly.

I think Baldrick can spell 'L-A-W' and make a special frothy coffee.

It's possible he could be handing in his CV to Costas by the end of the week.

I've finally got my new set of Sainsbury's vouchers so I can go and stock up on tins of Quality Street May have to get an extra one to break into now.

Brexit is not good for my waistline

I’ve deliberately not posted much on here today as I seem to have the ability to turn things into a bun fight but this thread is more like the Brexit Arms today.

Why can’t people see that all this gloating / patronising / arguing only polarises people’s views even more?

This could very well hand Boris his no deal on plate.

placemats My reply was tetchy in response to your rather rude post about digging

If you read my post, I answered about NI at the end of my post

• they had to have a referendum because there was no devolved govt capable of handling international treaties

That also meant there was no conflict between a referendum result and the limited NI local govt
There was no conflict with Westminster, because almost all MPs accepted it as a decision for Ni and Ireand.

The GFA specified referendums for future NI independence - wisely because NI politics hasn't evolved enough to make it feasible to hand over much power to a devolved govt

I also answered about Ireland and referenced the problems that even Switzerland has had with referendums

I would prefer Wales & Scotland to have fully devolved govts with the power to make decisions without referendums

My ideal would be a federal UK with only defence, trade treaties, foreign affairs handled at Westminster,
with an upper chamber of 25 senators for each of the 4 countries replacing the HoL and voting on those issues only.
Any 2 countries acting together should have a veto to e.g. block declarations of war, leaving / joining the EU ...

Apols for derail..@yolofish

Florabotannica is one of my two top all time favourites.

It used to be available in bigger Boots but no longer.

Smell divine!

Beth Rigby @BethRigby
NEW: Cabinet conference call. Understand Justice Sec @RobertBuckland said attacks on impartiality of judges should not occur and judgment of the court should be respected with the rule paramount >suspect Buckland concerned with some of the off rec briefings against Supreme Court

Am also told that the mood on the cabinet call is to move on from the ruling today & concentrate on political battles ahead

I'm not sure that some of the posters on here today could have been polarized much further even if we had tried bear.
Boris may or may not get his no deal perhaps helped by this decision but that doesn't mean it was the wrong decision.
Overall those of a remain persuasion are I think more amenable to compromise but this decision really wasn't about Brexit.

In a way I wish the decision hadn’t arisen in the context of Brexit at all. It is an important constitutional principle and it is being dragged into the Brexit morass. It was never about Brexit, it was about the power of the Executive

Bear It's rejoicing at having dodged a bullet
We know there are more bullets to come
No Deal remains a very real danger

I don't see "gloating, patronising"
but your "arguing" is how our debating often goes, even between Remainers
Maybe especially between Remainers

At least one Leaver, Louise broadly agrees with the decision,
because it was about upholding the rule of law and the rights of parliament, NOT about stopping Brexit
Moderate Remainers & moderate Leavers can agree on fundamentals like that

Those who are fantasising about elite conspiracies won't become less angry & susicious if Westministenders go quiet

Why can’t people see that all this gloating / patronising / arguing only polarises people’s views even more? It's the sneering I can't stand and the 'wittiness' Pathetic

Exactly Chaz
As I posted, it didn't matter whether BJ was proroguing to force through a policy on Brexit or on bald-headed men

"Wit" makes posts more interesting

I enjoy the cat & dog pictures too

David Allen Green
@davidallengreen
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I know if you are in the media one should not criticise the media, but there is something wrong - very wrong - with the ongoing over-reliance of BBC Politics on "Number 10 sources"

And it is counter to the public interest

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3700707-Westministenders-The-Non-Re-Opening-Of-Parliament?watched=1
New thread.

Don't get through another one before I've finished putting the boy to bed.

Don't get through another one before I've finished putting the boy to bed.

No promises

I think people complaining about the decision itself are either misinformed or being disingenuous.

Johnson lost not because prorogation is illegal in itself, but because his lawyers failed to give a reasonable explanation of why a prorogation of this length was necessary at this time.

Leaving Brexit aside, are people really pretending that they want the government of the day to be able to shut down parliament at will for any length of time?

Plate Mat Kink

Good to see Geoffrey Cox on the thread

Rob Powell@robpowellnews

NEW:
Jeremy Corbyn has been discussing with other party leaders how they can avoid no deal and get an early election.

Labour spokesperson said they want a GE, but the condition is that no deal on Oct 31 is taken off table and the Benn act is implemented 1

MORE:
Labour spokesperson says the party will not vote for a recess unless the PM has already gone to Brussels and asked for an extension.

Labour also calling for @Geoffrey_Cox to face MPs in Commons about his prorogation legal advice 2

MORE:
Asked if class war was back, the Labour spokesperson said the party now occupied "the real centre ground" and that representing the 99% is "not an issue of class war" 3/
< ho hum >

Personal view obvs, but Laura Kuenssberg has made a right mug of herself over this

Too tired to make a witty comment

Why is anyone surprised?
I am not, it was obvious that it was going to be a remain stitch up! It was never going to be anything else.

The Supreme court is packed full of EU remainers. Take Lord Kerr for example he works in the EU courts until recently when he joined the Supreme Court. Lord Reed, he is another face in the Euro courts.
You are getting my drift right?

This is an out and out brazen assault on our democracy, but most of us saw it coming. I would have been more surprised if the result had been anything else.

It is going to take more than this to stop brexit.

flouncy Your Boycat is a handsome fellow, but seems to be channelling the JRM bench pose

I never thought of that - maybe JRM is a cat person