Westministenders: Boris Johnson Broke The Law

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ITS OFFICIAL
The Highest Court in the Land has ruled that Boris Johnson has broken the law.

Parliament is Sovereign.

Despite the calls for his resignation it is highly unlikely he will under the current political climate.

It must be stressed that the judgement was UNAMINOUS and went further than most expected, and took the hardest possible line again the government

The power now lies with the Speakers of the Lords and Commons to decide when Parliament reopens.

It also means that all the bills which were ended by proroguation are now back in play.

Expect a full backlash from the hard right attacking the courts are going full on 'enemies of the people'. This will be NASTY

The strength of this ruling does pretty much rule out another proroguation as the courts are liable to throw it out immediately if they try it on again.

Johnson is in New York. He needs to get on a plane very quickly.

I meant to say this earlier. Thanks to prettybird and the several others upthread who complimented me. I didn't post what I did fishing for compliments on here, I'm sure you know that, but they are nice to receive all the same.

Its simple IMO, if we don't have the rule of law, we can very, very quickly not have a functioning society and no one wants to go there!! That our PM obeys the law is a fundamental component of its power, if he doesn't, others can legitimately think "well, why should I then?"

Remember how quickly things turned nasty in the London riots in 2011? That's what happens if a sentiment takes hold (even among relatively few) that the law can be broken with impunity, and that's how fast it can happen.

The UKSC are (in this instance at least) the final arbiters of the law. There judgement must be followed. Judges should not be above criticism, but calling them Remain "stooges" or agents of the "deep state" is nonsense and worse, its dangerous.

DG Wishful thinking babe.

I'm self identifying as someone intelligent for this thread.

And you ?

🦑 Apart from the clouds of ink and veiled threats, have I missed anything in the past half hour?

His batteries are really running down now

DGR If I called you babe you'd probably think i'd gone a bit odd

Not as much as "hun"

Trump I mean

DGR I looked at that petition. Noted that the address is a p.o. box in Belfast. Not surprised really.
Wondering why they haven't got a petition up to get Stormont back in action..
Oh yes, I remember now...

If the most hardened remainers recognise that this is a step too far, and are now blanching at the prospect of a non elected supreme court ruling our country then that is very telling indeed

And there is no mandate whatsoever for the UK to leave the EU without a deal in place.

Sorry flouncy just can't bring myself to watch any more!

What will parliament will actually do tomorrow? is the next question.

I'm on the other side of the fence Louise but this is the question.
I suppose ensuring a legally watertight delay is requested, perhaps by someone not in the government.
Then a GE?
Then take it from there depending on who wins.
Giving every side an opportunity to get the votes for their idea and seats in parliament. While preventing the only thing parliament is clear it doesn't want to happen, a no deal Brexit on 31st of October.

Babe

Louise Parliament will return
They'll debate some important bills that would have been suspended, e.g. the DV bill

They will call the executive to account
e.g. on publishing "Yellow Hammer" in full, also the "Black Swan" documents

They should call Cummings to account, for repeated Contempt of Parliament in refusing to answer questions about dodgy funding

They will monitor BJ and try to stop any other of his / Cum's cunning plans that are unlawful

I hope they will also have productive cross-party talks on Brexit, because a cross-party solution would be by far the best to start healing the country

Maybe we'll have to wait for a GE and a hung Parliament to concentrate minds, though.

@DGR

You were on the money.

Starmer's ruled out a recess to allow for Cons Conference. Instead will be scrutinising Brexit legislation.

@LouiseCollins28 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🤓🤓

I thought Grass was too busy with work

What will parliament will actually do tomorrow? is the next question

There are many options

They can request emergency debates tomorrow, which they could then decide to pass to motions and then law (over the course of several days)

They can change the Benn bill so boris doesn't seek the extension someone else does, someone else who will.
They could pass a vote of no confidence and then look to form an emergency government to take them to a general election, and seek the extension, they will only do this if they think they can safely get the support for the Emergsncy government.
They will likely debate a second referendum again.

Bottom line is what they do tomorrow is up to them, not the government, who is no longer in control of Parliament

Remember how quickly things turned nasty in the London riots in 2011? That's what happens if a sentiment takes hold (even among relatively few) that the law can be broken with impunity, and that's how fast it can happen.

Whilst I do, I also recall that very quickly law and order was restored, and there was no mass appetite for rioting - which was probably a tad disappointing to some news outlets who might have been viewed as slightly egging things on.

And out of that tragedy (the lad that was run over) there was the amazing sight of his father pleading for calm and peace. It really touched me, as it wasn't too far from my neck of the woods, and spoke to the humanity in us all.

Anyway, for various reasons, I know we won't see anything like that in future. The posters on this thread who'd like to think.

Hang, on better start that again. It seemed like a complete sentence.

The posters on this thread who'd like to think there will some sort of Brexit autumn haven't been paying close enough attention to their local neighbourhoods- I'd urge them to, and use their eyes ....

Mummy, the courts haven't backed Remain over Leave.
They have backed opposition to prorogue in this instance.
You need to grow up. I'm sure your lovely leave will still happen at some point.

"Omg have you no idea of what has happened.
The courts have just backed remain over leave."

No, you have no idea what happened
The courts expressed no opinion on Brexit
They merely stopped the PM from acting unlawfully
He is not above the law

He still can carry out his plan to leave on 31 October
He just needs to get enough MPs to vote to repeal the Benn extension bill
i.e. he needs to regain the HoC majority he lost - that's his real problem, not the Supreme Court

If you watch and listen to speeches made by Trump 3 years ago and compare to how slowly he speaks today the dementia is clear to see.

God, Trump's speech is boring. He's delivery is so monotone.

There is also a video a trump on a military cemetery visit where he is struggling to walk in a straight line. His father developed Alzheimer’s and Trump is in his 70’s.