Westministenders: Boris Johnson Broke The Law

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ITS OFFICIAL
The Highest Court in the Land has ruled that Boris Johnson has broken the law.

Parliament is Sovereign.

Despite the calls for his resignation it is highly unlikely he will under the current political climate.

It must be stressed that the judgement was UNAMINOUS and went further than most expected, and took the hardest possible line again the government

The power now lies with the Speakers of the Lords and Commons to decide when Parliament reopens.

It also means that all the bills which were ended by proroguation are now back in play.

Expect a full backlash from the hard right attacking the courts are going full on 'enemies of the people'. This will be NASTY

The strength of this ruling does pretty much rule out another proroguation as the courts are liable to throw it out immediately if they try it on again.

Johnson is in New York. He needs to get on a plane very quickly.

Brexit is by far the most complicated peacetime project the UK has ever attempted,
several orders of magnitude more complicated than the largest project by any commercial business in the world

Leave's great mistake was not to plan.
Except to assume the EU would roll over before the UK and give us all their benefits without any obligation
Absolutely baffling

The Tories are proving again the fundamental business maxim:

"Failing to plan is planning to Fail"

Jon Worth has a new Brexit diagram.

twitter.com/jonworth/status/1176483743390941184?s=21

tl;dr Brexit isn't happening with or without a deal on 31/10. GE this year almost certain (nearly 90%). Puts the odds of Johnson still being PM at the next European Council in mid October at only 25%.

Lets be honest If one was ever in doubt there is a deep state running our great country, then look no further to the events of the last few weeks, when Bercow allowed remainers to sieze power culminating in 12 Remain judges, judging for remain today.

It is an absolute outrage - and although you may feel the supreme court is the last word, I beg to differ. They have prostituted their creditability to the EU Commission and left this country in tatters.

I always thing back to a very important legal judgement that came from my wee home town and is referenced world over.

This is what the Surpeme Court does - decide on things where there is no precedent

Pmk..

"On the upside at least we know what it is like to live in a banana republic now"

Having actually lived in one, I suspect you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

If parliament was never prorogued then we are surely not starting a new parliamentary session. May's WA cannot be re-presented unless a new session begins or it has materially changed. Does this mean BoZo has to ask for an extension by default?

How is it that parliament can seize control of the executive body of government to overturn a referendum and this not be a matter for the courts?*

Ooh has Parliament overturned it - is Brexit over then? Great news... Meanwhile here, in the world we actually live in, that hasn't actually happened and we're still leaving

tl;dr Brexit isn't happening with or without a deal on 31/10. GE this year almost certain (nearly 90%). Puts the odds of Johnson still being PM at the next European Council in mid October at only 25%.

Assuming Jon Worth is right, and that BJ will have gone, who do we think will be PM on October 17th?

And more to the point, when will parliamentary cases be rushed up to the Supreme Court in relation to the abuses of power by the speaker Bercow? Gina Miller is a private citizen. Find a lawyer who'll take your case for you, you can follow her lead.

Why wasn't it a violation of our human rights that MP's decided, without consent, to sign off our democratic rights to the EU in the first place? You could take this up with the ECHR, I suppose...

How is it that parliament can seize control of the executive body of government to overturn a referendum and this not be a matter for the courts? Sovrintee, mate. You know, that stuff you frothing Brexiteers are so very, very fond of. When it suits you.

Jon Worth the EU mouthpiece churning out more sound bites. Do you really consider this news that HE of all people thinks we are not leaving on the 31st. Seriously!

jonworth.eu/

It is HIS job to lie day and day out

Leave's great mistake was not to plan

It wasn't a mistake. It was the entire aim, from day minus one.

If they had even hinted at planning, you'd have had the bunfights we are now seeing, and the electorate would never have swallowed it.

I have a PIP assessment at the end of the week.
I hope to have stopped laughing by then.
Although it is quite possible that a certain poster may well turn out to be my assessor. Seems sufficiently qualified.

...culminating in 12 Remain judges, judging for remain today.

Hang on - but prorogation wasn't anything to do with Brexit according to the government! So how have the (11, not 12) judges made a "remain" ruling?

So hang on, grass - has the referendum been overturned or are we leaving on 31st Oct whatever happens? Because you've ranted about both in the space of the last 5 mins. Make up your mind, love.

I think grass might be about to implode. Or pass out. Or something.

@Thegrasscouldbegreener

I'm not going to give any more air to your views than this...

When lay people think they know the public law better than 11 Supreme Court judges it says more about them than the judges.

You may want to look up 'Dunning Kruger' effect.

Reboot maybe, Continuity?

grass
U ok hun?

So many words. It's like there's an angry squid in a bathtub.

Lets be honest If one was ever in doubt there is a deep state running our great country, then look no further to the events of the last few weeks, when Bercow allowed remainers to sieze power culminating in 12 Remain judges, judging for remain today.

No.

We have a bunch of people running the country who have time and again demonstrated that they

Don't understand what the customs union is
Don't understand what the single market is
Don't understand what the WTO do
Don't understand how trade deal work
Don't understand how important Dover is
Don't understand the Good Friday Agreement (and freely admit they have never read it)
Don't understand that becoming a 3rd party affects our existing trade deals with none EU countries too
Don't understand the WA
Don't understand why the EU wants a backstop
Don't understand what technology exists and how long it will take to install

I could go on and on.

These are no difficult things. They do require you to sit down and read about them, but we know that MPs haven't done because of interviews and the house of commons record how many people read certain briefing papers.

They repeatedly demonstrate a lower level of understanding than they should do in the positions of responsibility they have.

It is NOT a deep state.

What has happened is a backlash to utter incompetence and laziness and this has been exposed via holding people to account through the court.

Our democratic system is a series of checks and balances against abuses of power, corruption and incompetence. The courts are the last point of enforcing that. Parliament and the media are the other major two methods.

That why its ended up where it has.

No great conspiracy. Just how our country is SUPPOSED to work. Just how democracy is SUPPOSED to work. Just what the entire purpose of the constitution IS.

when Bercow allowed remainers to sieze power culminating in 12 Remain judges, judging for remain today.
Eleven judges Green
You need to learn to count as well as spot the big Crown on the Supreme Court shield.
Must do better.

And all this will do is make any deal even more impossible, ensuring that no deal is what will happen.

You seriously need to consider the impact of this ruling, and realise that it has played directly into the hands of the campaign managers at HQ. They must be delighted!

Boris V the establishment

There will no problem convincing those unsure labour leavers now, thats for sure, they are incandescent with rage and will never vote for anything but leave in the GE.

The remain campaign has not even got a plan beyond extending to January. It would be laughable if was not so sad. You can not delay and delay forever, and wait for some unicorn to press the rewind button.

Do you suppose people may be even better informed than before, and detest the EU even more than before. The disgraceful behaviour has not been lost on this country.

So although MN has its share of remain on here, your over loud voices are not a reflection on the wider country that is for sure. Nor do you seem remotely in touch with the deepest anger running through most leavers, and who could blame them?

I have also lived in a country with a corrupt legal system. This isn't what it looks it.

Here is a picture for green.

They have prostituted their creditability to the EU Commission and left this country in tatters.

But Bin Collections.

I voted Leave because of Pot Holes and Bin Collections.