COULD Varadker play a blinder?

[Miljah]

First, I have no personal skin in the game. Apart from the bomb scares of the 70s in British towns. And the nightly news.

Secondly, I have tried to keep abreast of the political landscape in NI, while understanding that there are complexities way beyond my ken at play.

And thirdly, a MN suspension, maybe six months ago, as an outsider musing whether it was deeply patronising to the people of NI to assume, as a matter of course, that the only way to broker differences was bombs and guns, there surely had to be other ways?- I was told in no uncertain terms that these were the only tools available, and that I should butt out as a non NI person....

SO. What if Varadker, highly unlikely, I know, were to offer reunification with an undertaking to respect Protestant rights? I recognise the economics, here- 70% of NI jobs are financed UK public sector. Could the republic pick up that slack? Would NI people earning that public sector cash want to jeopardise that?

But might that represent the first inkling of a way forward for NI? EU membership (and I'd bet ££ (I don't have 'euro, euro' on my keyboard! 😊) in order to sweeten that seismic shift; especially now NI must recognise that much of GB didn't even know, or care, about the GFA?

How soon before I am reported, in outrage?....

The UK signed GFA. Solved your riddle for you.

Have you ever EVER EVER EVER ONCE heard the UK say that they wish to protect the GFA?

Yes.

Since Brexit.........

Yes.

Platitudes, but no coherent concrete declarations. Britain is like the honey badger. Honey badger don't give a shit!

Ever thought of a career in politics?

Britain likes to pretend NI doesn't exist lol.
Unfortunately it does exist. Because of Britain.
So they can sort their fucking mess out and not leave it to Ireland.

bellini has never claimed to be Irish. She's just informed on the issues.

Well I'm agree with that. WA did that.

I’m Irish, living in Ireland. I would favour a United Ireland but would carefully consider the recommendations of a citizens assembly and proper cross party parliamentary committee.
Opinion polls show most people here do favor a United Ireland.

Thankfully Leo Varadkar is vastly more intelligent and sensible and know that breaking up a Union is a complicated matter and requires a lot of thought and fleshing out of detail before a referendum,

I dont thinl the majority of people in Northern Ireland want to be part of the Republic any more than the Republic wants them, its very complex

Opinion polls before the facts have been brought to them.

Apparently yad thinks I'm not allowed to say any of that .

Thanks Bellini what about when they say they will be charged extra tariff on goods going into the uk?
I agree with you there yadid, the GFA has been completely dismissed by a lot of leavers and they think it's being used as a way for the EU to get one over on the uk. But these are people who haven't a clue or basically don't care. Bellinsurge has been on many threads and speaking about the importance of the GFA, if more people were like that then things may never have gotten to this stage. The truth is NI wasn't even a second thought before the vote. I did hear Johnson mention the GFA this week, I thought there could be progress but as far as I can see his solution is to agree trade deals now and deal with the backstop later on which the Irish government won't agree to.

Isadora That's exactly it. Ireland doesn't want to drag a reluctant territory by the heels into its territory and then discover it costs a fucking helluva lot.
People ain't that stupid.

"what about when they say they will be charged extra tariff on goods going into the uk? "
No need to charge NI origin goods extra tariff. Just ROI origin. Unless and until a free trade agreement is sorted.
Nothing some in transit tech can't sort out. Just not on the NI/ROI Border.

And thirdly, a MN suspension, maybe six months ago, as an outsider musing whether it was deeply patronising to the people of NI to assume, as a matter of course, that the only way to broker differences was bombs and guns, there surely had to be other ways?- I was told in no uncertain terms that these were the only tools available, and that I should butt out as a non NI person....

Seriously? "there surely had to be other ways?" as if you were the first person to think this? Where have you been for the past 20 years?

There ARE other ways. It is called the Good Friday Agreement and it took blood sweat and tears to arrive at that agreement and immense sacrifice and goodwill on both sides of the divide in NI, and in the Republic of Ireland - even some effort by Westminister. And it worked. Unfortunately the British government decided to blow it up. Tell you what is deeply patronising - for want of a better word - telling people who have managed to carve a difficult peace out for themselves for 20 plus years that the essential conditions of that peace are now changing but "surely there have to be better ways?" How many times will the British government expect NI to create a peace and then pull the rug out from under them?

And if you think a united Ireland is the immediate goal of the majority in the republic of Ireland ...

Thanks Bellini, I was wondering about that. The main issue with the backstop was that it would impact goods going into the UK and that it would lead to a United Ireland. As far as I can see very few on either side of the border don't want that. I appreciate your input and you are seem to be upsetting the lezvers big time in other threads😁
Yadid Ireland signed the GFA, this allowed those living in the NI to be recognized as Irish, so we just abandon them now? Also brexit will impact Ireland and Irish businesses so we need to be involved, we need to work to fix this 'mess'.
Palliser I totally agree.

Very few on either side WANT that!!!

But NI isn't our mess to fix! When will people get that into their heads! We've our own country to worry about!!

I'm losing track of you who are claiming to be. When you say "our" , which "our". Because if you are claiming NI is not UK's to consider, you are an idiot. If you are claiming that NI isn't ROI's problem to fix, I agree with you.

I agree we have a lot of issues that have being put on hold because of Brexit but while we didn't have a vote and it isn't our mess it will impact us greatly. It won't just impact people, it will impact farmers and businesses on both sides of the border who work together. So the Irish government have to be involved.

@Voila212 only as part of the EU, protecting an international agreement it signed and a single market in which it functions.

Yes Bellinsurge but even that seems to much involvement for the UK government and some British people who believe the EU are using us to keep the UK in.