How will your life be better after Brexit?

[BertrandRussell]

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Sien- People starving ? We throw away 4.4 million tonnes of edible food a year. So maybe a good thing from a no deal brexit (if there is one) is that it might make us think about how wasteful we are.

Erm Clavinova - you are aware of food banks because people dont have enough money to actually use an Aldi store?

Christ, I cant believe this needs spelling out. In fact, I cant believe you've been hiding your facts from all the poor people. They would surely lift themselves out of poverty had they have known all along that aldi is opening new stores! How gracious of you, oh wise one.

Why are you so worried about an itrelevant Parliament that has little or no power? Hardly a definition of tyrannical, is it?
Yes, they’re elected. Unlike our Prime Minister .
It isn’t 1870 either. Britain does not rule the waves, it’s an insignificant island with a rapidly disintegrating Union and without co-operation with and the protection of the EU we’re well and truly fucked in the face of real empires like China, Russia and the good ole US of A which will drop us like an hit brick when we’re no longer an useful gateway into Europe,
But hey, keep waving your flag. It’ll be fine.

(Previous addresses to Harabek)

Erm Clavinova - you are aware of food banks because people don't have enough money to actually use an Aldi store?

Yes, but they have more food banks in France and Germany.

I’be just listened to Verhocstadt’s address to the Lib Dem conference and I fail to see anything alarming in it. Can someone enlighten me, please?

Yes, but they have more food banks in France and Germany.

We need some more of your fine cutting and pasting examples, before we believe this. For example, what are the respective sizes of the French and German populations. How many food banks do they have, compared with the UK? Are they used be people in work, or can people in work feed themselves because their wages are sufficient to do so?

Clavinova - well that's ok then. As long as they have more food banks elsewhere (no source?) then nobody here in this nation will die as a result of starvation.

I'm.genuinely struggling to see your logic here. I think you have spectacularly missed the point. It's the equivalent of asking a maths question and replying with "sausages" as the answer. Nonsensical rubbish.

OK, I'm going to have a serious crack at this one. Just for the record, I'm a full-on Remainer. I've been on protest marches, featured in protest videos, joined the LibDems, etc. But. I'm also an entrepreneur - the type who saw opportunities in the 2008 financial crash and built up a successful company. Which I'm now selling, partly because of Brexit. There'll be plenty of change coming with Brexit, that's for sure, and I want to think outside the box here.

So - what possibilities could lie yonder? Well, firstly, I can't see any possibilities if we get 'No deal'. Honestly, I just think we'll be fucked - any gains would be swamped by problems.

But assuming we get a deal, we then look outwards towards the East primarily, and the ANZAC countries (Australia, NZ, America, Canada), who will hopefully view us as 'EU Lite', i.e. access to the European time-zone and markets, but without heavy regulation. What do I mean by that? Slow-moving, really. Anything requiring consensus between 26 countries is going to move more slowly than just 1 country.

Just listened to an excellent series on Radio 4 about how the world views us - countries like Nigeria, Canada, Singapore etc., as well as Poland, and recurrent themes are admiration for our legal system (Magna Carta, Parliament), our consistency and stable history (represented for many by the monarchy), and our cultural and scientific influence (BBC, Monty Python, Oxbridge University etc.).

So our selling points are:

Time Zone and Language (straddling Asia and America, English being Lingua Franca for global business)
London (love or hate it, it's the biggest city in Europe, and the global home of finance - that brings certain unique competitive advantages)
Our widely admired legal system (Magna Carta, founder member of ECHR, Parliamentary system as a model for governance etc., also maritime governance)
Easy access / Co-operation with Europe (VERY important we get a deal)
Our education system is well respected (research universities etc., well educated workforce)

Will that be enough to attract inward investment? I hope so. And where do we want that investment to come from? China obviously, but also South Korea, Malaysia, African and South American nations. And they are what fund managers call 'high growth economies' (i.e. risky). Things are about to change radically - 'better' is a moot point. So yes, the strategy COULD pay off, and a re-distribution of resources could take the pressure off London and the SE.

But what a reckless gamble to take. I hope the Conservative Party get shredded for the next 30 years for this, I really do.

Yes, but they have more food banks in France and Germany.

Citation please Clavinova. I couldn't find any figures backing up your claim.

And clavinova is a reminder of why critical thinking should be taught properly

Here's one. I'll have to go through a different queue at the airport to my husband and children, so he can do some solo child wrangling for ten minutes while I get a bit of a breather.

Our widely admired legal system (Magna Carta, founder member of ECHR, Parliamentary system as a model for governance etc.

Let's hope that remains so.

Citation please

Actually, I think this initiative in France is an excellent idea;

May 2019;
"Elior, the leader in contract catering in France, has forged a partnership with the French Federation of Food Banks (Fédération Française des Banques Alimentaires) to redistribute its surplus food produce to associations in a bid to reduce food waste.

"Thanks to their regional coverage, both players are able to make a commitment at both the national and local level."

"The French Federation of Food Banks (FFBA) coordinates a national network of 79 food banks which collect 113,000 tons of free food products every year, 73,000 tons of which would otherwise be wasted. By teaming up with the FFBA, Elior will now be able to redistribute the surplus food stuffs from its 9,700 restaurants and central kitchens in France to associations providing support to people in need."

www.eliorgroup.com/press/press-releases/elior-france-teams-french-federation-food-banks-fight-against-food-waste

wesh me too, I’m hoping to just pop out of arrivals (eventually) straight into the hire car which has already been loaded with our luggage and the dc!

food banks

We have had this conversation before but in France a food bank does not mean the same thing as in the U.K. (A French food bank is a wholesaler/consolidator of food supplies intended to be distributed by charitable organisations like the Red Cross). I think that even with data it would be difficult to make comparisons.

There will be plenty of humble pie available for Brexshiteers.

"national network of 79 food banks"

This is roughly one per département (county).

There are over 2000 food banks in the UK. How many in France or Germany?

I fully expect your answer to be indirect Clav

And this one?

"France has become the first country in the world to ban supermarkets from throwing away or destroying unsold food.Forcing them instead to donate it to charities and food banks."

"Of the 7.1m tonnes of food wasted in France annually, 67% is binned by consumers, 15% by restaurants and 11% by shops. Each year 1.3bn tonnes of food are wasted worldwide."

www.ruaf.org/news/french-law-forbids-food-waste-supermarkets

Clavinova's post below gives the number: 79.

I don't think s/he reads the stuff before s/he pastes.

79 food banks? This BBC article says there are 2000 in the UK.

It's hardly a good indicator of the state of a country in any case. Too many variables, I'd imagine. Population size, attitudes towards charity giving, wait time for benefits, self-referral or not, in work or unemployed people, amount of food given out etc. etc.

www.bbc.com/news/education-48037122

leafy thank you for your post. Maybe not positives as such, but silver linings at least.

I suppose one positive could be no longer having to scroll past the screeds of misinformation and obfuscation splurged out by bad-faith leave supporters on here. Though I suspect that is optimistic of me

Hopefully the copy and paste experts on here will give up and start discussing topics normally.