How will your life be better after Brexit?

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@jasjas1973 the problem is that it wasn’t an “innocent mistake”- a misuse of words, for example. If it had been I wouldn’t have commented. It was a complete misinterpretation of the process, both your original pose and your correction and must have come from somewhere. Someone told you that, and you believed it and passed it on. That’s how myths become entrenched. It’s dangerous.

I apologised immediately but you couldn't let it go.

It was what we did with our daughter in 2000 and i assumed (incorrectly) it was still the case, its possible it was wrong back then? so no one "told me"

But thank you for giving me the power of myth maker - i think you're completely over reacting here.

“It was what we did with our daughter in 2000 and i assumed (incorrectly) it was still the case, its possible it was wrong back then? so no one "told me"”

Oh, come on. You said “Parents here have to.....” as if it is something you know is happening now. As evidence that schools are overcrowded now because of immigration.

It used to be the case certainly, but it has changed, and I for one was trying to point out that the school place shortages still exist, and are absolutely nothing to do with immigrants where I am, but Government policies, wholly outside the remit of the EU. I thought that point worth making.

I am absolutely tired of 'the EU doesn't allow this', 'the EU says we have to do that', when time and time again it comes down to Westminster. I now virtually take them all with a pinch of salt until I investigate.

In terms of school places, there was a massive shortage of senior school places in my area for this year's intake. The reasons were multiple (including allowing at least two schools to drop their PAN) but migration was one of the reasons.

However it was probably less EU immigration and more the large number of refugees placed in the area.

There was mutterings about how 'our children should get priority' but I think that was also aimed at the two headed, four armed residents of the neighbouring authorities that got places.

For some though it is just more fuel to the fire.

It was what we did with our daughter in 2000

Bullshit. No state school in the UK has a system where you put your name down for a place any time except through the admissions process at the correct time. Not now, nor in 2000.

Or are you going to tell us now that actually you meant a private school? Or a nursery school?

Or a nursery school?

Our school nursery you had to put your name down. You then applied for a school place in the application round.

My sister in another authority had to do an application round for the nursery place, (and then infant and then junior.)

Not adding much, but it is possibly a nursery place.

I don't think we need to flog the school application process any more. It just goes to show though, that something which was true, can be no longer true, and we don't realise it's changed.

I think that of a lot of local Tories and Brexit - they are perfectly decent, community minded people, but they really don't know how far their party has lurched to the right, and I hope would be horrified if they stopped to think about it.

I don't think we need to flog the school application process any more. It just goes to show though, that something which was true, can be no longer true, and we don't realise it's changed.

Why not? jasjas1973 was blatantly lying. And has tried to wriggle out of it, badly.

It wasn't true in 2000. Nor in 1990 or 1980. It's just made up. You've never had to put your name down at birth for UK state school spaces.

Well, I did put my children's names down quite early but bear in mind that my eldest is now 40. You didn't 'have' to put your name down though - I think some people in the village just rocked up on the day, trusting that the school had spaces. It really was different then back in the early 1980s. Two schools in particular were very oversubscibed - I don't know how significant it was but they were both schools which sent a lot off to the private schools at 9.

People also tended to put their names down for the Catholic primary because there was only one, serving quite a wide area. And a few friends had mothers/mothers in law who expressed 'disappointment' if their grandchild didn't go to a Catholic school.

Anyway I can say no more. I just thought if nothing else the council document would serve to enlighten some people who maybe didn't live in a cheek by jowl densely populated area that really suffered back in 2006. It might throw small chink of light on what's meant behind that spurious wording...

Immigration.

Not being funny but I come from the home of the Home Office, massively multi-cultural and -ethic and -religious Croydon. Just over half the people are white, lots of people first generation incomers. Most populous borough of London. Loads of people from Europe. Oversubscribed schools and doctors, creaking hospital. Voted Remain.

I really believe it's not immigration or immigrants; it's fear and blame.

BTW I paid UK tax for decades and had my DD outside the UK. Do they take people like me who don't use services in the UK and use other countries into account? Thinking about it, I've been hospitalised in three countries, none of which were the UK. Filthy British people, going over there, stealing their healthcare.

I’m also in a very densely populated area with a huge number of immigrants - not the same one as above. The area voted strongly Remain. As an example, in my DC primary school class, perhaps only two or three children had no immigrant background at all, though perhaps half were born in the UK. A third were from Africa, the Caribbean, another third from countries like Bangladesh, and the final third Europe, with a random scattering of children from Canada or Kazakstan or wherever.

The problem with school places in England is blatantly down to the stupid way that school places allocated. This just doesn't happen in places with sensible education policies where kids have a right to attend their local school (because this forces local authorities to plan ahead).

Why is there low social housing stock ?
Why are there too few GP's ?
Why aren't there enough school places ?

The answers to the above questions are never immigration or the EU. It is always to do with government policy and funding. Ask any local councillor in your area what the biggest issue has been, and they will say having to make massive budget cuts year on year.

because this forces local authorities to plan ahead.

But as I have said, the Government doesn't allow them to plan ahead effectively. We need a new school locally, the LA knows we need a new school, but an MAT or Freeschool has to be prepared to open one up. So far the LA hasn't been able to get that to happen. In the old days they would have purchased a plot of land and got on with building. Now they can't and it's purely for political dogma - anything a Local Authority does is bad, especially if it's a Labour authority - doubly or triply bad.

Peregrina - yes - that is one of the main reasons why the U.K. system is absurd!

Over here in France it's very simple: kids attend their local school and the local council is required to provide places for them (and transport to school where appropriate).

It wasn't true in 2000. Nor in 1990 or 1980. It's just made up. You've never had to put your name down at birth for UK state school spaces.

I don't usually agree with jasjas1973 on these threads but this was definitely a 'thing' in my area in 2002. I registered ds1 with the local infants school (state, not a church school) for reception class when he was a baby - along with other mothers from my antenatal group. We didn't apply for the school in the end, so I've no idea whether it mattered or not - but the school did register them.

The leavers on a local MP page have enlightened us with their reasons.

Something about the war, not speaking German and never forgetting.

No longer being ruled by Brussels

Making Britain great again

Sick of being dictated to.

But it is ok because us remainers are just doom and gloom and it is ok because the Tory's identify for the worst and put in plans so it will all be ok.

It is all just so .... aggressive. There never is a real answer other than 'We want to leave.'

I was bollocked on The Brexit Arms thread for suggesting there were Leavers with a hard on for WWII. Apparently I'm creepy and generally not naice.

True for some private tho. Especially Eton etc

This is not the case for Eton and the majority of oversubscribed public schools and hasn’t been for many years.
They have pre tests and interviews and then common entrance but ce is mostly for setting and very few fail it.

I wasn’t going to mention the school admission thing again- but since others have....
I’ve been involved with school admissions for 20 years and I. All that time i’ve never heard of putting your name for a state primary school. Sometimes you were asked to register an interest. But that was nothing to do with increasing your chances of getting a place- it was more to give the LEA a rough guide for planning. And the post certainly gave the impression that here and now, because of immigration, parents are having to put their children’s names down for schools at birth. Which is absolutely wrong and practically the definition of Project Fear.

After brexit my weekly copy of The Economist will be monopolized by covering the aftermath, crowding out other news. Other than that I don't think my life will be better or worse.

You have always only been able to put your preferences in for state primaries the year before - never 'from birth'
Even if you apply for 'nursery' before that it will have no bearing on a place at primary
There was a bulge year the year we applied for DS and there was a lack of places - it had bugger all to do with immigration and a lot to do with under-investment (they amalgamated a few schools as they couldn't staff them) and then a big birth year.
He started secondary this year and guess what the staffing issues are still there and there is a shortage of places and overcrowding is more acute . The school is 98.4% white British according to its demographics