How will your life be better after Brexit?

[BertrandRussell]

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Freed from the tyrrany of less poweful vaccuum cleaners, we shall be free to have even less powerful vaccuum cleaners.

Long term it has given me the kick I needed to move back to my home country, though need to wait a few years as children are in education here. My quality of life will be better there and I don’t have to rely on the NHS in old age.

I'll have a lot more work. But that is because people will be fucking starving :(

sonerlumiere and Beardedmum

Oh do piss off (in the nicest possible way . Sheer envy)

Remain voter her - I think the only good thing that will happen after Brexit is that it'll finally put an end to the limbo we're been in for the last 3 years.

I know a lot of people in business who've had projects put on hold and at the moment there's no end in site. That includes companies not being able to sell to Europe now in case delivery if after the end of October and others who won't be considered for work on sites abroard despite previously being awarded contracts and being the best equipped for the job.

@harabek
Disgraceful post.
The EU is not the Nazis.
We need to fight fascism from within this time around.

I wouldn't call it distasteful, I think you miss the point I was making..

The premise of this post and to be fair a large proportion of those who frequent this forum are framing Brexit as if it's about what they get out of it or what they lose, predominantly (But not always) from a personal perspective.

If in life we made decision solely for selfish reasons, like wanting to remain within the EU, despite a larger majority of the population who got off their backsides to vote for it than to remain, the world would likely be a much worse place.

We have to stop looking at Brexit as a means to benefit ourselves and our loved ones but assess the wider implications for the kind of democratic society that we want to live in

If the brave men and women of the 30s had used the same mantra that seems to be espoused by many on this platform, we would most likely be speaking German and already be well entrenched in a German dominated European Super State...

Personally I look at the protesters in Hong Kong for encouragement. Do you think they are on the streets for selfish reasons as their economy crumbles? They wave British emblazoned flags because they realise that being slightly poorer but having freedom of choice, is more important that being slightly more wealthy and living under the boot of Tyranny.

@Songsofexperience

Please go and listen to Guy Verhofstadt's speech to the Liberal Democrats at their party conference a few days ago - listen to him talk of Empires and tell me you don't think it's tyrannical

I think the only good thing that will happen after Brexit is that it'll finally put an end to the limbo we're been in for the last 3 years.

I keep hearing this, and I don't think it's true. Brexit is just the beginning of a very long hard process.

Very noble. One slight flaw. We are/have not been living under tyranny. We are a member of a trading block, with a veto, and still (despite the spin claiming otherwise) set our own laws.
Repeat. WTF are you on?

Harabek - I dont think anyone missed the point you made. I think your point is poorly made. Tyranny? Pull the other one.

If you've noticed on this thread, many people have talked about the impact that Leaving will have on the wider society. In two posts, people have mentioned unemployment and people starving. I think their is a sense of altruism there, not selfishness like you suggest.

To be blunt, your post and your point are absolutely distasteful and rubbish.

Yes- people seem to think that a no deal Brexit is a “thing”. It’s not. It’s the absence of a thing.

There*

Correction: unintentionally missed out “majority” of our own laws. Incidentally, where the EU does legally intervene, it is usually to raise standards from those we set, improving the quality of our lives.
Tyranny? What horseshit.

listen to him talk of Empires and tell me you don't think it's tyrannical

The irony of your post. Most brexiteers think we are still empirical. They often hark back to those halcyon days where we invaded countries and enslaved others and built Britain on the backs of them. Many can't seem to grasp that those days are long gone.

@Ohflippineck - This isn''t the 1970s and the European project is not simply a trading block - What trading black do you know of that you elect faceless bureaucrats to an irrelevant Parliament that has little or no power to give the impression of "Democracy"

All of the power sits with the un-elected council, not the Parliament.

@Soen - Completely agree and they sound ridiculous.

Brexit bingo - we've had the war, we've had faceless beureaucrats and unelected council.

Pens ready, eyes down for a full house

Please go and listen to Guy Verhofstadt's speech to the Liberal Democrat's

So what? This is the same as arguing that Brexit is bad thing because Nigel Farage is a racist.

I heard Rory Stewart tell LBC listeners last week, that if Boris Johnson manages to get a deal with the EU he expects Britain's economy to boom over the next 3-4 years - and if Johnson did get a deal, Rory Stewart would apologise to him.

starving?

I doubt it - Retail Gazette today;
Aldi is planning to open 100 stores across the UK in the next two years, plus an extra 55 stores in London/M25 by the end of 2025.

www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2019/09/aldi-double-stores-sales-smash-11bn/

Better houses?

Good news for the North of England - boom in construction projects continues in Northern cities - according to analysts, Manchester has more ongoing projects than Los Angeles and Chicago;

www.recruitment-international.co.uk/blog/2019/09/northern-construction-boom-opening-up-job-opportunities-says-russell-taylor-group

We will be better insulated against future problems with Turkey?

BBC 5 SEPT - Turkey warns Europe of new migrant wave;
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49599297

There is actually a pro-Brexit group, 'Lawyers for Britain';
lawyersforbritain.org/

And who knew that Marina Wheeler (Human Rights Lawyer and Boris Johnson's estranged wife), had written this article in The Spectator in February 2016? Surely she had an influence on Boris Johnson's thinking?

"Smelling a rat, the Labour government asked for—and was given—an assurance in writing that Britain would not be affected by the Charter. It was called ‘Protocol 30’."

"Before the ink had dried on Protocol 30, concerns were voiced about its precise meaning and effect.Tony Blair assured the Commons that there was nothing to worry about: ‘It is absolutely clear that we have an opt-out from both the Charter and judicial and home affairs.’ David Miliband, then Foreign Secretary, also assured us that the Charter would not ‘extend the reach of European courts into British law’.Four years later, the coalition government was giving similar assurances: in March 2011 Ken Clarke, then Justice Secretary, said that the Charter was of more presentational importance and did ‘not actually change anything’.In English courts, however, another picture has been emerging" ...

www.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/the-crucial-missing-part-of-camerons-eu-deal/

They might finally stop taking about it, that's about the only positive thing I can think of.

The UK government has just refused to nominate a UK Commisioner to the EU - so we are unrepresented for the first time in 47 years. This means that when even we stop brexit we will have less influence for the next five years. This is our disgraceful government acting against our national interests.

Even so, in reply to the OP, my life will be a lot better when we STOP BREXIT.

Where as a matter of interest Harabek, is power in the UK now?

Did you vote for Dominic Cummings as de facto Prime Minister? How many millions voted for Boris Johnson as PM? Tell me that, and I might listen to your 'unelected' guff about the EU.

I find it deeply insulting to compare not supporting Brexit with not wanting to fight the Nazis.

Brexit is not some Noble Cause.

In fact it is pissing on the dream of those - Churchill prime among them - who wanted a better Europe, one that works together peacefully and recognises we are close family, not enemies.