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Westminstenders: Supreme Democracy

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2019 19:45

Tuesday is the big day about prorogation.

The Supreme Court hears the case of Cherry and Miller against the government.

This could test the constitution and the union. The Supreme Court sits as both as a Scottish Court and and English Court and applies Scottish / English law accordingly. And there are differences. It is possible that prorogation might only be illegal under one or the other but would have effect on parliament. Or its possible that the Supreme Court might decide to uphold the government position.

What is encouraging is the constitutional expert blogs which suggest that they lean to the court intervening. It's important that for the A50 case the Supreme Court referenced the arguments in these blogs.

But let's not get too carried away.

As it is Joe Moor, former director of legislative affairs at 10 Downing Street wrote in today's Telegraph that Johnson could merely prorogue again from Oct 14 "until at least Nov 6" thus preventing parliamentary scrutiny of no deal which would help enable in effect illegally. The Times also reported Cummings as having said this to advisors.

This has been dismissed by legal experts, but the point remains there is a willingness to both frustrate parliament and be as obstructive as possible in the days leading up to 31st.

There is also the 'Nobile Officium' Court action designed to stop illegal no deal by allowing the courts to write a letter to the EU to request an extension of Johnson refuses to.

It remains to be seen if it has even a chance of success.

The British press has been full of comments of optimism for a deal this weekend. This is after there was positive noises in a similar vein from Brussels. These has since been largely dismissed as mere political will with no practical progress. The British optimism has also been dismissed as mere posturing. And Priti Patel "misspoke" when she appeared to suggest that no deal was no policy this morning.

Other rumours include the French willing to grant a 2year extension but not a 3month one out of fear this will happen repeatedly. The French are now pushing for a deal and relaxing their approach as such (but Germany won't compromise the single market and Ireland the GFA so its all talk).

And do not forget, for all the talk of a deal there are certain time restrains.

Apparently Nikki da Costa has a timetable to get a deal through parliament in 'just ten days' on a spreadsheet. So that gives you an idea that the 19th October is possibly the last day to get a deal in front of parliament if you completely accept that we are leaving without any extension. This neglects the issue that a new deal isn't on the table from the EU and the backstop isn't going anywhere.

A last minute deal or no deal situation is highly risky with the ERG on one side and hard core Remainers who think Johnson won't defy the Benn Amendment and thus will try and block a deal to the last

It seems that we will have a game of cat and mouse until the bitter end.

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Apileofballyhoo · 16/09/2019 15:33

a spoof site

You could call it BrexitTheFacts, DGR.

flouncyfanny · 16/09/2019 15:34

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DGRossetti · 16/09/2019 15:38
Apileofballyhoo · 16/09/2019 15:40

Did anyone notice where Xavier Bettel nearly said shit or bullshit or some such thing, but stopped himself, nearly laughed, and said situation instead?

prettybird · 16/09/2019 15:41

Flouncy - no it's not a Dundee cake. It was Mary Berry's Victorian Christmas cake. Not as heavy as an "ordinary" Christmas (or Dundee) cake.

Lovely and moist due to the chopped pineapples (which you can't taste) in it. Also has chopped almonds, ground almonds, snipped apricots, quartered glacé cherries and sultanas.

This was the one I made the following day for dh (after he complained I never baked for him Wink) using the other half of the tin of pineapples.

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DGRossetti · 16/09/2019 15:43

Did anyone notice where Xavier Bettel

Is there going to be a 2019 spoke in "Xavier" as a name ?

prettybird · 16/09/2019 15:44

BJ-Cummings now on Sky News claiming that "it wouldn't have been fair" on Bettel to stay for the press conference Hmm

Conveniently, he then does a 1:1 interview with Sky where he can get away with his bluster and without being asked awkward questions from a range of reporters Hmm

ImNotYourGranny · 16/09/2019 15:48

I just ventured in DailyMail land to get their take on it. They think it's fantastic. Boris showing those foreigners how he won't be pushed around. Unfuckingbelievable.

AutumnCrow · 16/09/2019 15:50

I just saw that, @pretybird! That ploy would have worked for Johnson if Xavier Bettel was a boring grey man droning on about bureaucracy - but Bettel was electrifying.

Makes Johnson look really very dull and silly. His trademark 'charm' is gone.

Emilyontmoor · 16/09/2019 15:50

Perhaps Boris's most damaging legacy for London is not bridges that never got built or water cannons that had to be scrapped but the skyline. He promised no Dubai on Thames and yet in brownfield developments across London he will leave a legacy of 400 skyscrapers, put up without any coherent planning or design frameworks. Vauxhall for instance is now just a jumble of 30+ storey boxes- with one random round one that brought down a helicopter in the process of getting built. Does anyone think the skyline showed here is well planned? www.skylinecampaign.org/about "A planning framework was established for this “opportunity area”, the most significant zone of redevelopment in central London, whose rules developers were then allowed to break. The result will be mediocre architecture and planning, some canyon-like streets, and new tall building that will make the existing St George Wharf tower – condemned by a planning inspector as unsuitable for this sensitive site – look almost modest." www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2016/apr/10/boris-johnson-london-legacy-folly-vanity-rowan-moore
Even for someone who has lived in a cities of skyscrapers, and even by Chinese /asian standards of planning (and some of the developers are Chinese / asian companies who launch the developments in Kuala Lumpur, Hong Kong and Singapore simply as vehicles for investment, not homes) it is a mess. It does not appear that Boris has profited from all this mess financially, if his lifestyle is anything to go by, but the social capital he has built up amongst the uber wealthy, otherwise known as the international elite, will be immense.

Lisette1940 · 16/09/2019 15:53

A journalist from the Telegraph tweeted 'My favourite episode of The Incredible Hulk is the one where a small group of people shouted too loudly so he ran away'

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AuldAlliance · 16/09/2019 15:55

The contrast between Bettel's frank, hard-hitting words, in what is not his first language, and the evasive, mendacious blurb emitted by the current PM&cabinet is quite something.

MockersthefeMANist · 16/09/2019 16:03

Looks like the Dear Leader may have to prorogue the lot of us so he can get a word in.

FannyBiggetywitch · 16/09/2019 16:04

The Incredible Sulk, a big yellow buffoon in an ill fitting suit!

prettybird · 16/09/2019 16:04

Precisely AuldAlliance Grin

Really makes BJ-Cummings looks small Grin Shaaaaame Wink

And yes, I know he speaks lots of languages - but if they communicates as badly as he does in English, so what? Confused

MockersthefeMANist · 16/09/2019 16:05

Did anyone notice where Xavier Bettel nearly said shit or bullshit.

Most of Europe uses English swear-words freely as an acceptable alternative to their own. Even Frau Merkel said the economy was a "Shitstorm."

TheMShip · 16/09/2019 16:06

Incredible Sulk Grin

DGRossetti · 16/09/2019 16:07

Most of Europe uses English swear-words freely as an acceptable alternative to their own

They probably learned them during the war Grin

prettybird · 16/09/2019 16:08

I'm sure I've heard one of the European politicians (might have been Verhofstadt in "Behind Closed Doors") using the term clusterfuck Grin

MockersthefeMANist · 16/09/2019 16:09

....For you, Tommy, zer Brexit iss over.

0lga · 16/09/2019 16:10

Pretty bird - your cake looks amazing! Can you do a gluten free one and I could pop by later ? I’ll just be passing your door this evening about 7pm on the way to choir?

I’m supposed to be low carbing but I could make an exception for that cake . Such a great distraction from politics.

Ellie56 · 16/09/2019 16:10

The contrast between Bettel's frank, hard-hitting words, in what is not his first language, and the evasive, mendacious blurb emitted by the current PM&cabinet is quite something.

The contrast in appearance is quite something too.Xavier Bettel looks like a Prime Minister which is more than can be said for the fat blob with the weird haircut and the ill fitting suit who looks more like a dodgy second hand car salesman. Hmm

What has he done to his hair anyway? It looks like Carrie plonked a pudding basin on his head and chopped round it. Maybe her revenge for the red wine on the sofa? Grin

MockersthefeMANist · 16/09/2019 16:12

Who remembers the flak Shirly Williams got for looking less than catwalk?

BJ does it deliberately. He ruffles his hair before going on camera. It is his 'lovable' teddy-bear image that works with some folk.

AuldAlliance · 16/09/2019 16:13

I thought Bettel was trying not to say "bordel"...it was definitely a word beginning with "b".

mummmy2017 · 16/09/2019 16:14

In the interview today at the EU the vibes seemed to be no deal as nothing on the table and they want it finished.
So should an extension be requested the would be no point to it.