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47 days to go.....

Deal, no deal or delay...???

Remainers are circling the wagons ready for their last stand....

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Johnson didn’t go for the nothwithstanding bill because the date of the GE could be amended by the Opposition.

I know why BJ didn't go for that option before, but cannot understand why the opposition alliance didn't.

But equally Opposition parties weren’t going to fall for it when the Government could have tabled amendments too (and this would have been before the 21 rebels were sacked).

No - he called for GE after the MPs had whip withdrawn.

There was never a chance BJ could have amended date as he has never had the numbers for that amendment to pass.
The notion that 'they can't trust him not to change the date' is a load of bollocks - he could try obvs, but it would never pass HoC let alone HoL.

Do you have a link yet for the stuff about amending dates after a bill has passed all stages?
I cannot find anything which supports this.

What we do need is legislation to force mps to get behind ref. This must never happen again. Parliament is supposed to be checks and balance but that function is lost because we realise Parliament is full of human mps who suddenly reject democracy when a vote didn't go their way. So they are autocrats. We must have laws to stop this
Are you proposing to govern the country via referenda only, for now on? And who’s going o write and approve these laws, now?
People are voted for short periods of time but discuss, vote and approve laws that span sometimes multiple generations. Like the consequences of a brexit ref. A referendum is a snapshot in time of what voters thought in a particular moment with regards to a particularly formulated question. Would you accept that if someone had done a referendum on universal vote and a “Man’s only” vote had won you’d be bound for the forseable future to respect it?

Maybe we should experiment with a Parliament Love Island or Xfactor format, with the public from home voting MPs out or approval of laws depending on the latest trends. That would be a curious experiment. I would not wish it to any respectable country, though

Parliament is full of human mps who suddenly reject democracy when a vote didn't go their way. So they are autocrats. We must have laws to stop this

Correct. The referendum vote is being ignored even though 498 MPs voted to invoke Article 50.

Or maybe oversight from a sovereign judiciary would do it 😂😂😂

What we do need is legislation to force mps to get behind ref. This must never happen again. Parliament is supposed to be checks and balance but that function is lost because we realise Parliament is full of human mps who suddenly reject democracy when a vote didn't go their way. So they are autocrats. We must have laws to stop this.

This is nonsense. What we need is to avoid referendums that pretend it's possible to make a binary decision on a massively complex issue. Also, if we must have advisory referendums - as this one was - they should be treated as such. We've ended up here because an advisory referendum was treated as legally binding. MPs have an obligation to act in the interests of the nation. A no deal Brexit is not in the national interest, hence our position now. The two are incompatible.

Correct. The referendum vote is being ignored even though 498 MPs voted to invoke Article 50.
Oh, do give over. We've heard nothing but 'will of the people', 'Brexit means Brexit' for over three years. The vote is not being ignored. It is undeliverable, unless we are willing to accept huge national damage, and no-one in government is brave enough to say so.

Tbh its frightening that people are willing to risk other peoples lives and livelihood's just to have a no deal brexit because they voted to leave.
Yellowhammer a GOVERNMENT risk assessment, whose title was changed from the base ( least worst) to worst case scenario , yet more deceit by this government was a clue as to what can and WILL happen.
It doesn't seem to compute on here that MPs are fighting FOR the people because no one in their right mind would put a whole country into peril purposely as Bojo and his crew are doing.
In a way I think ' well let the people have their no deal Brexit, let them feel the pain when there's food shortages, petrol shortages, medicine shortages.' But then I come to my senses and realise that Bojo and his crew will not be the ones experiencing these things. It will be the poor, the sick and the vulnerable. It will be the low paid workers already struggling. It will be YOU. And as much as i dislike your ideology I would never want to see any of you suffer. And that is why i stand up and say we cannot leave without a deal. We cannot sacrifice just one loss of life or more deprivation to the poor sick and vulnerable of this country.

The government's legislation and actions are subject to judicial review all the time. As is any public authority. Mostly they win but not always. Particularly if they try something so stupid.
The fact that Brexiteer/Quitlings don't know about it suggests they don't know very much about how our legal system works.

Brexit has divided this country. It has done what even two World Wars could not do. You all need to start looking around, looking at your family, your friends, your jobs, your lives and ask yourself this. Would you want any harm to come to you and your family and friends. Do you want to lose your job, your house, your security? Are you prepared if any of this happens? Would you be willing to sacrifice any of it so that your vote to leave the EU by any means will be acted on?
Think very carefully because you may well be just a few weeks away from disaster. So please do get ready for brexit on the 31st October as the adverts paid by you, the taxpayer tell you to do. Get ready by having enough money to pay for food that doubles in price and a £ worth less than a dollar or Euro, get ready to lose your job because you may not be able to get to work because of petrol rationing, get ready by having a whole cupboard full of meds in case your loved ones fall ill.. You know, the usual stuff you have heard about. Because it will all be worth it so your vote counts.

The scenarios used in my last post are all in a government document called 'Operation Yellowhammer'.

I wonder what colour the ration books ( already printed) will be? Will they match the new passports?

Gosh, just thought we are supposed to be saving the planet and cutting down on plastic. We better get rid of all those body bags the government have stockpiled then!

Do you have a link yet for the stuff about amending dates after a bill has passed all stages?

I said the notwithstanding bill would be amendable - I didn’t say it would be amendable after it had passed the third reading in both Houses.

We can be fertilisers?

Brexit hasn’t happened and it has changed me profoundly already.
I suffer from absolut mistrust for people -until I know how they see me (I’m EU citizen) and what’s their position on brexit. Not political, but brexit.
I judge people on that.
I was never like that.
I fear a colleague of mine who’s never ever said anything about it, and I suspect being a convinced leaver. He’s Australian, he shrugs whenever I talk about the future difficulty for the company to hire, his POV is “I’ve jumped through loops, you should have done too”. No kids. He’s soooo optimistic, when I see only risks for me and my family and my company.

Two.

The vote is undiverable right now because we have a remain parliament, a remain speaker. Who do not reflect the people at all who voted leave.

I don't understand how you can't understand this? We have a remain parliament whose in talks with the eu, along with Blair, mandelson and other elite power brokers, pulling strings with the people who they have a higher allegiance too.
The eu.

This is why I want out. We must not be in this position were our mps are in league with another body elsewhere.

MPs have an obligation to act in the interests of the nation

Wrong. Their primary task is to preserve democracy. 498 MP's voted to invoke Article 50. If they thought Brexit was not in the national interest why did they not vote against Article 50?

The vote is not being ignored

So why is UK still in the EU?

It is undeliverable, unless we are willing to accept huge national damage, and no-one in government is brave enough to say so

Disagree on both counts.

Brexit can be delivered with either a deal or no deal. Only those who don't want Brexit say it is undeliverable.

So Swinson of LibDems has stated she will ignore any future leave votes. So much for calling themselves democrats.

Emily Thornberry of Labour stated she will negotiate a good deal with the EU then campaign to remain. So much for their manifesto pledge.

Cherin, that doesn't surprise me. You have to work for the right to live in oz, you have to offer skills needed, and not in any way push an ozzy out of the job. Go through high level probing and checks.

If he has gone through the same here he must feel strange at hearing the level of 'entitlement' from people who were so easily able to move to the UK?

Tbh its frightening that people are willing to risk other peoples lives and livelihood's just to have a no deal brexit because they voted to leave

The vote was to leave. So leave it has to be. A Leaving with a deal is better than a no deal, but at same time no deal is better than no Brexit.

Yellowhammer a GOVERNMENT risk assessment, whose title was changed from the base ( least worst) to worst case scenario , yet more deceit by this government was a clue as to what can and WILL happen

Makes sense to prepare such reports. However, never forget that the UK treasury forecast that a vote to leave, by itself before anything happened, would result in job loses of between 500,000 and 800,000 and 6% drop in GDP. Neither happened.

And that is why i stand up and say we cannot leave without a deal

Music to EU ears. Wonder of they read boards such as MN?

It has done what even two World Wars could not do

What a load. How many people died in WWI and WWII?

As for the rest of post I guess you used to work for the Project Fear team?

We must not be in this position were our mps are in league with another body elsewhere

Correct. Blair and Major are the ones behind this.

sept it’s DEFINITELY easier for a qualified commonwealth citizen to work in the U.K. at least for a few years than vice versa. Don’t compare.

This is why I want out. We must not be in this position were our mps are in league with another body elsewhere.

Unlike a PM who is in league with the U.S. to sell of any and every bit of public asset?

And yes Project Fear has become Project Fact, by way of our own HMG. How can any look beyond that and not think: Hmm....this brexit malarkey is a lot more complicated than we thought.

But we both hire and manage our staff. There is no “entitlement” feeling that I can see. They all work. Hard and willing. If anything, he’s the one that make us lose staff because he’s too hard and demanding and pushes people away with a bad attitude. Bit like the bullying in the army (I’ve toughened up, you do it to). In essence, he’s an idiot. But he’s the type of person that we will attract more if we deregulate and Americanise.
I don’t wish it to anyone

Am still seeing people who by any assessment can be view as 'poor' or on a very modest income pleading for brexit. It's pitiful to witness.

Reasonings seem to be based in 'lets just get on with it' without any shred of an idea that just getting on with it means insecurity, higher prices, less health care, job losses, early deaths, breakdown in NI peace etc. It's like they all STILL believe what Leave bastards told them 3 years ago is still true, despite it all being shown and admitted to, to being a pack of lies led by Liar-in-Chief.