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Your UK State Pension will be uprated in April 2020, 2021 and 2022 if you live in the EU, EEA or Switzerland

Correct. Another reason EU breaks their backs to cancel brexit. So pissed the gravy train is coming to the end

Where do you read that? Not on the gvmt page that was linked to. I'm not disputing your claim, but I didn't find the words "will usually" there.

@AuldOilance

1. EEA countries, Gibraltar and Switzerland

Citizens of EEA countries, Gibraltar or Switzerland entitled to a social security benefit or pension will keep their entitlement if they move between those countries.

This means that if you live in the EEA, Gibraltar or Switzerland and receive a UK State Pension, you will usually get an increase in your pension every year.

Correct. Another reason EU breaks their backs to cancel brexit. So pissed the gravy train is coming to the end

It's the UK leaving, not the whole EU splitting up and abandoning all reciprocal agreements between MS.
There are about 85000 EU citizens of 65+ in the UK.
There are 247000 UK citizens of 65+ in the EU, many of whom will be drawing a UK state pension.

Why would the rEU be devastated if the UK stopped uprating its own citizens' pensions in 2022?
What gravy will the EU lose?

MysteryTripAgain

You have repeatedly misspelt my name in what appears to be an intended insult.
I have been nothing other than courteous and patient in my posts you.
I would be grateful if you would do the same.

The EU are not trying to stop Brexit. Ffs. They are trying to protect GFA which one of their members still gives a shit about. And the integrity of the single market which is threatened by undermining GFA.
And we are trying to make them ignore both things. And failing.

Sounds more like Mystery is getting confused about tax status?

The government will continue to uprate the UK State Pension paid to people living in the EU each year for the next 3 years.

Nearly half a million people living in the EU will continue to have their UK State Pension increased every year for the next 3 years in the event of a no deal exit from the EU, Work and Pensions Secretary Amber Rudd reveals today.

The UK basic and new State Pension is uprated by either 2.5%, average wage growth or by prices growth as measured by the Consumer Price Index – whichever is highest.

www.gov.uk/government/news/uprating-guarantee-for-uk-state-pension-recipients-living-in-the-eu-after-brexit

There are about 85000 EU citizens of 65+ in the UK. There are 247000 UK citizens of 65+ in the EU, many of whom will be drawing a UK state pension. Why would the rEU be devastated if the UK stopped uprating its own citizens' pensions in 2022

For facts you have pointed out in the first two sentences. For every EU pensioner in UK there are almost three UK pensioners in EU. A massive ratio in favour of EU considering the population difference.

What gravy will the EU lose

UK is the third largest donor to EU.

UK has a trade deficit of 64 billion to EU

Sounds more like Mystery is getting confused about tax status

UK state pension affects an individuals tax code. Example

Tax code is 11,850

State pension is £6,850

Adjusted tax code is £5,000

And the integrity of the single market which is threatened by undermining GFA

Contradiction. Protection of single market requires a border.

Mystery is very confused.

At present pensions are uprated annually for British pensioners living in the EU (and in some other non-EU countries). This will continue for another three years after Brexit but isn't guaranteed beyond this time.

Tax status is irrelevant since Britons who are not tax-resident in their EU host countries will not get residency papers after Brexit, and will have to return to the U.K.

I would be grateful if you would do the same

Excuse me. Typed from a mobile. Seems to make up its own mind at times

And the integrity of the single market which is threatened by undermining GFA

I’m actually with mystery on this. The above doesn’t make sense.

The whole problem is we’ll be out of the SM therefore require a border which is not compatible with the GFA

UK state pension affects an individuals tax code.

No idea what your point is here - the state pension is taxable income. It’s got nothing to do with drawing your UK pension overseas.

Mystery has confused me too.

I really, honestly can't see how the UK uprating state pensions yearly affects the country's trade balance with the EU or its contributions to the EU.
I don't understand why it's a gravy train that EU citizens are gleefully clambering aboard and desperate to stay on simply because there are fewer of their pensioners in the UK than vice versa.
I'm sure there's something I'm missing and I'm keen to be enlightened.

Nor do I grasp why UK pension uprating at a max of 2.5%/yr is such a burning issue that it's causing the EU to apparently try and block Brexit. Although I'm pretty clear as to the veracity of that statement.

No idea what your point is here - the state pension is taxable income. It’s got nothing to do with drawing your UK pension overseas

If non domiciled there is argument the personal allowance is lost.

Tax status is irrelevant since Britons who are not tax-resident in their EU host countries will not get residency papers after Brexit, and will have to return to the U.K.

How can they be hosts in EU, but at same time non resident in host country? Every country different, but if you spend enough time in any tax year in a country you are tax resident

but as a resident of St Petersburg, this is understandable

How does St Petersburg enter the discussion? Never been there, but very beautiful apparently.

I wonder if Mystery is our old “friend” that works overseas so doesn’t pay UK tax but retains a UK property so as to use the NHS in between contracts?

Which fills jobs many UK citizens won't condescend to do.

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this documentary is obviously only about one UK town and one UK (Brexit-supporting) employment agency but does seem to bear out the fact that in some cases UK workers will not do agricultural or other casual work of the type willingly done by EU workers. I am not saying this is the case in all industries in all areas, but it is a case in point.
I think one of the reasons is that EU workers are more mobile - how are you going to work on a rural Sussex farm if your roots are in Bedfordshire and your children are at school there, for example? I think the problem is more complex than UK workers won't do the work /EU workers are pushing indigenous workers out of work. Both are massive over-simplifications.

Continuity I reckon you've hit the nail on the head there.

Is that face intended to reinforce the idea that EU citizens are stealing enticing jobs that UK citizens are longing to do?

At the risk of resembling Clavinova, I am providing some quotes and sources.

"Few British workers want such temporary jobs that require long hours in difficult conditions." FT article on farming sector

"British workers long ago turned their back on farm work, put off by low wages, the physical work and, in recent years, the availability of higher-paying, year-round jobs in an economy where unemployment is at 4%."
WSJ article

"The CBI estimate that 75% of se[r]vers are European, as is 37% of housekeepers, 24% of chefs, 21% of kitchen and catering assistants, 23% of housekeeping managers or supervisors and 13% of hotel managers or proprietors." hospitality&catering news

"nearly half – 47.6% – of employees in the fruit and vegetable “processing and preserving sector” are from EU countries. A similar proportion – 44.4% – are involved in meat processing. More than a third – 37.6% – of those processing fish, crustaceans and molluscs are EU migrants.
In agriculture, just under 35% of workers employed in what the ONS describes as the “growing of nonperennial crops” are EU citizens, along with more than a quarter of workers involved in the manufacture of prepared animal feed. And just under a quarter involved in the “manufacture of bakery & farinaceous [starch] products” are EU workers."

ONS figures quoted in Guardian