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Annexation of NI by the EU? The majority of people on the island of Ireland are happy with EU membership and historically somewhat “disgruntled” by the 800 year colonialism by an entity that wasn’t the EU. Brexit - lack of self awareness and poor grasp of history personified

@ howabout
„Northern Ireland is still part of the UK and under the GFA will remain so until the people of Ireland decide otherwise - no amount of attempted annexation by the EU alters that.“

The people of Ireland voted to be part of the EU.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/lib-dems-chief-architects-brexit-20092890?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

bellini would you prefer I add "Island of"?

I prefer you understand the consequences of your patronising.

I will blame every single Leave voter who did nothing to stop this by lobbying for a compromise

Takes two to compromise if you remember. If EU bomb the UK out end of September or refuse to an extension, how is that attributable to anyone in the UK regardless of how they voted?

I've been suggesting compromises since the vote. I've tried.

I find it difficult to think of Luxembourg as anything more than a City State operating to serve French, German and Belgian elites

Me too

I think you find it difficult to think of anything that isn't England.

The people of Ireland voted to be part of the EU

But they did not vote in the 2016 referendum.

Mother Ireland, the country, did not have a Referendum on EU membership to the best of my knowledge?

The people of Northern Ireland voted as part of the UK in a UK wide referendum. Or are you suggesting Wales should unilaterally Leave on the strength of its Leave vote? Or equally are you suggesting that either Scotland or Northern Ireland actually voted Remain solely on the strength of their judgement about the EU? In both cases the Remain campaigns were run on a position of vote Remain to maintain the current constitutional settlement within the UK. The 2 issues were inextricably linked.

bellini since I am Scottish and live in Scotland, as I may have mentioned more than once, I will save my breath from further engaging with you.

There has already been an extension. Remember this was supposed to be the easiest trade deal in history. Remember also there was supposed to be a brexit domino effect. Remember the claims of the EU being for the benefit of France and Germany. So why haven’t smaller member states like Ireland and Luxembourg been thrown under the bus to appease the might of Blighty? Please try and remember the bold proclamations that evaporated so quickly.

That comment was to your friend Mystery as it appeared straight after their "me too". . But if you want to pretend it was to you, that's your idea

There has already been an extension

But why? Look at the results of the three votes on the WA. It was labour MPs who almost unanimously voted against the WA. Reason was nothing to do with WA, but try and force a general election.

Remember this was supposed to be the easiest trade deal in history

Might have been had a leave voter been PM at the time.

Remember the claims of the EU being for the benefit of France and Germany

It is. Germanys trade surplus exceeds what they pay into the EU.

So why haven’t smaller member states like Ireland and Luxembourg been thrown under the bus to appease the might of Blighty?

So why haven’t smaller member states like Ireland and Luxembourg been thrown under the bus to appease the might of Blighty?

As Howabout said Luxembourg looks after its immediate neighbours.

Ireland has been a net contributor to the EU since 2014 (but a taker prior to that). So EU might be thinking that Ireland will break even in the future?

Please try and remember the bold proclamations that evaporated so quickly

I can. The UK treasury forecasts about 500,000 to 800,000 never happened. Nor did GDP drop by 6%. Both of those were meant to happen just by voting to leave before any happened

There was quantative easing after the referendum that mitigated the financial damage.

Support for EU membership in Ireland is around 90%

Britain’s domestic squabbling over Brexit is their own problem, not the EU’s.

The WA is hard brexit. Prior to the referendum all the talk was of a Norway style deal. Leave voters have been played. Big time.

There was quantative easing after the referendum that mitigated the financial damage

Quantitative easing started after the financial crisis in 2007.

Support for EU membership in Ireland is around 90%

Ireland did not vote in the referendum of 2016. If I had been a taker for 40 years I would support the EU too.

Britain’s domestic squabbling over Brexit is their own problem, not the EU’s

Article 50 requires both the withdrawal and future relationship to Ben discussed in tandem. EU moved the goal posts by insisting, against UK wishes, to separate the two.

Both Finland and France have stated that if Johnson does not produce backstop alternatives by end of September, UK is out without a deal. Remember the Benn Act does not oblige the EU to do anything.

France in particular are petrified of waving the white flag to the UK. It’s a hatred that goes back centuries. So if they agree an extension without a further referendum or general election in the UK, it will be seen as white flag waving.

The WA is hard brexit. Prior to the referendum all the talk was of a Norway style deal

Contradictory statements. WA was both CU and SM and no dealing with non EU allowed.

Norway system allows them to deal with other countries without EU control. It also has border with EU

The EU has been more than patient with the UKs petulance not just now but over the last 40 years.

Deprived areas have benefited from EU
funding and you’d be naive to think the Tories will replace this.

The UKs problems are of its own making and once Brexit happens it will no longer be able to blame the EU.

@howabout
Ireland had a referendum in 1972 to join the EC.
I am simply stating that the „people of Ireland“ voted pro EU.
Wouldn’t you say that the GFA is the major issue in the Brexit negotiations?
It doesn’t matter that the majority of voters in England and Wales weren’t too concerned about it - the „people of Ireland“ in fact are as it‘s their peaceful day-to-day life that‘s on the line!

The EU has been more than patient with the UKs petulance not just now but over the last 40 years

So if they are fed up with UK why not cut the cord and say go away?

Deprived areas have benefited from EU
funding and you’d be naive to think the Tories will replace this

It was the least well off areas in the UK that voted leave. South Wales, Middle and northern England. Sunderland was the largest leave vote even though it is overall a disadvantaged region.

The UKs problems are of its own making and once Brexit happens it will no longer be able to blame the EU

Article 50 allows any member to leave the EU without a deal. Article 50 was signed by all EU members, Ireland included.

The U.K. could already have left. It chose not to.

Deprived areas may well have voted out but they will suffer the most from Brexit. I wouldn’t want to be working on a car production line in the event of no deal.

Ireland had a referendum in 1972 to join the EC. I am simply stating that the people of Ireland“ voted pro EU

United Kingdom had a referendum in 2016 to leave the EU. So I will simply state that United Kingdom is not pro EU.

It doesn’t matter that the majority of voters in England and Wales weren’t too concerned about it

So 17. 4 million votes, which includes leave votes cast in Northern Ireland, don't count?

in fact are as it‘s their peaceful day-to-day life that‘s on the line!

So why where there any votes at all in Northern Ireland to leave?

I think brexit shows that the one size fits all approach for the U.K. does not work. What would the average English leave voter know about NI anyway? And yet they got the opportunity to, inadvertently jeopardise the GFA with the stroke of a pen.

@MysteryTripAgain

Will you quit your constant deflection?! The MAJORITY of voters in Northern Ireland voted „Remain“. FACT.

Why does the smaller margins of the English (by 7%) or Welsh (by 5%)„Leave“ vote count more than the NI (by 11%) or Scottish (by 24%) „Remain“ majority?

What would the average English leave voter know about NI anyway?

Not a lot is probably the most best guess to that question.

And yet they got the opportunity to, inadvertently jeopardise the GFA with the stroke of a pen

An opportunity that 27 other members of the EU agreed to by signing Article 50 in 2009.

UK mainland were not given a say in the GFA which may aslo explain the apathy.