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Westminstenders: It's like a bloody aviary

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RedToothBrush · 12/09/2019 20:40

From Flamingos to Yellowhammer and Black Swans.

The Tory Remainer is now a Dodo. Instead the party in inhabited by disaster capitalist Vultures. Jeremy Corbyn, meanwhile, has been labelled by the right wing press as a Chicken. The SNP would very much like Boris Johnson to be a Jailbird. The LDs are keen to sing like Canaries about the contents of BlackSwan. The Br

And the Tower of London is starting to get very jumpy about the whereabouts and location of its Ravens.

I would not, however, advise eating urban wild pigeons if things get desperate, from what I know of their health.

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flouncyfanny · 14/09/2019 19:57

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 14/09/2019 19:59

It’s like Bears worse nightmare in here people pragmatically and tentively supporting Corbyn dues to his ‘unclear’ Brexit position Grin

Bearbehind · 14/09/2019 20:00

It's a bit cheeky to keep criticising other parties from not sorting out your own party's mess the way you would like

BCF that’s a bit rich coming from someone who doesn’t even live in this country and therefore doesn’t have the unenviable task of choosing the ‘least worst’ option in a GE.

I genuinely hadn’t seen Corbyn commit to another referendum so thank you to those who posted the links.

If labour put this in their manifesto then they’d get my vote.

Whatever the ‘credible option’ if they win a GE on that or revoke then no deal disappears and revoke will likely win as the only ‘credible’ options are still shite.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 14/09/2019 20:01

Oh nd can I also say BCF yogurt weavers best description EVER!!

BigChocFrenzy · 14/09/2019 20:03

flouncy Rumours are that Black Swan report will be leaked over the next couple of weeks
Hopefully.

btw, the 2016 Leave vote was itself immediately called as ‘a black swan event’, by Prof Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Professor of Risk Engineering at NY Uni.

MissPhryneFisher · 14/09/2019 20:06

Hey Hasenstein - we're neighbours! Also in Surrey East, which has always and forever been true blue, stick a blue rosette on a donkey and they'll be voted in country. Except, our little corner voted out the tory leader of the district council, and voted in a load of "local issues" councillors, as we were a bit fed up of consultations which turned out to be irrelevant/councillors not listening to "the people", that kind of thing.

So, Sam Gyimah might not actually lose his seat at the GE, depending on who the local conservatives put up against him. But, local FB group refers to him as the "missing man" as he's not ever seen in our town, unless there's a photo op, so he's not necessarily got the personality vote round here anyway.

Interesting to see what happens, I'm sure the town FB group will have plenty to say Wink

BigChocFrenzy · 14/09/2019 20:08

Bear After No Deal, you can expect a whole lot more condemnation of the Tory party from around the world - and not just from expats

There will be gloating from unfriendly countries at how the Tory party has delivered the UK naked & bound before its enemies

BigChocFrenzy · 14/09/2019 20:12

Biting verdict, wholly deserved, on Cameron:

Ian Dunt@IanDunt

The key to understanding Cameron's historic negligence is not the referendum decision.
It is austerity followed by the referendum decision.

The austerity programme tore the heart out of our social fabric.
And it did so not in response to an economic crisis,
but in expectation of a possible future economic crisis for which there was no evidence.

It's hard to think of another moment in British history when a prime minister did so much damage,

all to stop future bond investors possibly being worried in a scenario which did not exist.

He then followed it with a divisive referendum which he had failed to think through
in order to deal with short-term problems within his political party.

That one-two punch is about as catastrophic a misjudgement as you could possibly make.
No matter how many books he writes, or defensive interviews he gives, it's a stain that will never go away.

thecatfromjapan · 14/09/2019 20:13

Indeed, BigChoc.

I honestly never, never thought I'd live to see the Conservatives do this.

Never.

Which is why I Still wake up and wonder if all this is real.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/09/2019 20:14

Opposition parties need to keep reminding people about austerity and who imposed it

.... the LDems would find that embarassing, but Labour & the Nationalist parties won't

thecatfromjapan · 14/09/2019 20:15

I'm now depressed all over again & May have to go and find cat & rabbit pictures on Twitter.

QueenOfThorns · 14/09/2019 20:19

I can see you fluffy, but I’m a figment of your imagination too, so I would say that Grin

flouncyfanny · 14/09/2019 20:22

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flouncyfanny · 14/09/2019 20:26

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cherin · 14/09/2019 20:26

@flouncyfanny I don’t know about trusses, but there are BS EN standards that allow you to grade timber for joinery, for instance (so if you buy a timber door or window anywhere in Europe l you can look at a code and instantaneously know how many knots, how many cracks, how big, how filled...)
In my sector of construction (which is very niche, I’ll admit, but covers basically all of central London and anything modern you see in Birmingham, Leeds, Manchester etc) there isn’t a single producer from the U.K. Everything comes from Europe (more recently a bit from China, but still not comparable in quantity), with an even smaller % of Turkish suppliers new to the market.
Ironically, there is a british research institute that is undisputed leader in Europe for this trade. But there isn’t a single decent manufacturer, for the same trade.

More commonly, I’d say 90% of ceramic tiles in British homes comes from either Italy or Spain. Say for instance that the EU was to decide to change the standard on quality of floor tiles to (I’m imagining) change the way you define how slippery they are. Even if the British code didn’t want to ask for a test on slipperiness (?) they would need to accept that the new European code is more “powerful” and adopt it, cause every single tiles that comes in (except for the few ones made here) will have a label to the European standard anyway...

I don’t think the concept of “clean cut” has any sense in reality. We are too intertwined. As it’s been said before, it’s like trying to take the yolk out of an omelette...

NoWordForFluffy · 14/09/2019 20:29

Thecat, I'm going to do some furious cross stitching which is my go to for stress relief!

Queen, I thought it was getting busy in my head! Grin

thecatfromjapan · 14/09/2019 20:29

Oh, that is really lovely, Flouncy.

NoWordForFluffy · 14/09/2019 20:30

Pre-lawyering, I used to sell building products, cherin. I specialised in insulation. It wasn't a very exciting party conversation ! 😂

CendrillonSings · 14/09/2019 20:32

Yep, the whole country is furious about austerity and Cameron and Boris and Black Swans and Yellowhammer and prorogation and are just lining up to "pragmatically" elect Corbyn the cowardly commie socialist into power to save the day...

twitter.com/britainelects/status/1172948278058659841

CON: 37% (+2)
LAB: 25% (-)
LDEM: 16% (-1)
BREX: 13% (-)
GRN: 2% (-1)

via @OpiniumResearch, fieldwork this week
Chgs. w/ 06 Sep

12:00 PM - 14 Sep 2019

Oh.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 14/09/2019 20:32

Bigchoc am I right in thinking yoghurt weavers is a term Alexis Sayle coined in the early 80s when ranting about the middle classes of Stoke Newington?

IIRC he described them discussing Chekhov whilst lounging around on Habitat pine scatter cushions Grin

PerkingFaintly · 14/09/2019 20:32

I reckon Ian Dunt's got it in a nutshell there.

PerkingFaintly · 14/09/2019 20:37

CendrillonSings how popular do you think the Tory policy of austerity was?

Especially with the just-about-managings and the left-behinds?

The very same people that Brexiteers now claim voted Leave as a "working class revolution"?

Bearbehind · 14/09/2019 20:37

Yep, the whole country is furious about austerity and Cameron and Boris and Black Swans and Yellowhammer and prorogation and are just lining up to "pragmatically" elect Corbyn the cowardly commie socialist into power to save the day...

You do have a point here.

I’m more engaged with this than many and even I hadn’t seen Corbyn confirm support for a PV this week.

Their message isn’t strong enough

And for all many hate BJ, he’s ‘gobbing off’ in a much more effective way.

flouncyfanny · 14/09/2019 20:40

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Bearbehind · 14/09/2019 20:40

how popular do you think the Tory policy of austerity was?

Isn’t that exactly cendrillions point though?

Despite austerity and despite trashing parliamentary process and despite threatening to break the law and not asking for an extension, the Tories are still wiping the floor with Labour