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Dear Brussels...

243 replies

Miljah · 05/09/2019 23:04

Of course I know the EU's equivalent of Whitehall scrutinise what we say and do- possibly even MN!

But if you had their ear, what would you say?

I do understand that there is no complete, overriding consensus within the EU 'Parliament'!

But imagine you are addressing the EU MEPs.

What would you like to feel they should know?

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HerSymphonyAndSong · 08/09/2019 06:49

Did you see the comment that was withdrawn when the poster realised they had overplayed their hand?

HeronLanyon · 08/09/2019 06:54

No but I can see there’s been some ‘kerfuffle’.

MyOtherProfile · 08/09/2019 06:57

Please could the time zone/daylight savings committee urgently look into a way of turning the clock back 4 years ?

This. And could someone have a quiet word with Cameron, maybe offer him a job over there so he doesn't feel the need to do anything so dumb as suggest a Brexit vote in order to boost his career.

MysteryTripAgain · 08/09/2019 07:34

maybe offer him a job over there so he doesn't feel the need to do anything so dumb as suggest a Brexit vote in order to boost his career

Cameron committed to resign if the referendum result was to leave. So it ended his career.

Oranginna · 08/09/2019 07:45

Dear Brussels,
If we succeed in our attempt to overturn the result of the 2016 referendum result, can you confirm that we will be offered cushy jobs in your august organisation?Some of us have considerable experience of austerity imposition which you may find useful.
Respectfully yours,
The Rebel Alliance

MysteryTripAgain · 08/09/2019 07:59

FWIW I agree with your previous comment, above “thought the idea of the thread was humour

It was and there were some funny posts from several different posters. However, some of my posts received more negative than positive comments. So I requested MNHQ to delete and they duly obliged.

MNHQ have not sent any criticism, or referred to any of their Talk Guidelines, by email in relation to any of my posts to the email I used to become an MN member.

Judging by some of the posts it sounds like other members requested MNHQ some of my posts, but no action was taken. So in MNHQ view there was nothing at all in the posts that contraved their guidelines.

MyOtherProfile · 08/09/2019 08:07

Cameron committed to resign if the referendum result was to leave. So it ended his career.
Quite. He never expected leave to win and thought it would boost his career.

MysteryTripAgain · 08/09/2019 08:21

He never expected leave to win and thought it would boost his career

You mean he thought his personal opinion was superior to that of his employer (UK electorate of 45 million).

498 out of 650 MPs voted to trigger Article 50 to ensure the result of the 2016 referendum was respected and democracy was preserved. However, since that vote there has been a large number of MPs who, like Cameron, think their opinion is superior to that of their employers and have made it their mission to reverse brexit.

MyOtherProfile · 08/09/2019 08:49

You mean he thought his personal opinion was superior to that of his employer (UK electorate of 45 million).
Ok I am seeing now why so many people are a bit Hmm at your posts. You do realise that when DC actioned the referendum nobody knew what the electorate would vote, don't you? So he thought he was safe and people would vote remain.

As for the rest of your reply, you do sound a little like Johnson. I watched his speech in front of the police with horror. He has one message that he just has to bang on about whatever situation he is in, and whether it is appropriate and what he is being asked to speak about or not. He still comes over as having nothing actually concrete to say though.

bellinisurge · 08/09/2019 09:00

@MysteryTripAgain point to the post where I accused another poster of supporting or even being a terrorist.

MysteryTripAgain · 08/09/2019 09:02

So he thought he was safe and people would vote remain

He thought wrong.

MyOtherProfile · 08/09/2019 09:08

He thought wrong
Hindsight is a wonderful gift.

And of course he may well have not expected the vast depth of lying from the vote leave campaign to be as successful as it was in winning people over.

MysteryTripAgain · 08/09/2019 09:12

point to the post where I accused another poster of supporting or even being a terrorist

Nothing in my posts on this thread have said that you have made such statements. My comments were general in relation to other posts on other threads.

Remember that prolonged exchange between you and bear. Bear was critized for choosing to vote conservative and received many rude posts by those who chose not to vote conservative in 2015.

Bear did not think an NI only backstop would solve the problems of UKs departure from the EU.

bellinisurge · 08/09/2019 09:13

No @MysteryTripAgain , you accused a poster of supporting terrorism. That is no way compares to a disagreement on a position or even swearing.

MysteryTripAgain · 08/09/2019 09:18

No @MysteryTripAgain , you accused a poster of supporting terrorism

That's what it sounded like on first read. However, the post was deleted by MNHQ at my request even though MN had no issues with the post.

bellinisurge · 08/09/2019 09:20

I reported it. You realised it was too disgusting and asked them to pull it.

TheCatsACunt · 08/09/2019 09:21

Dear Brussels,

Please stop tying-up my taxes and the time of my MEPs and government with all this Brexit shite the Brits have created for themselves.

Thanks.

bellinisurge · 08/09/2019 09:21

It took several complaints from other posters for you to realise how foul it was and even then you just did the "can't you take a joke" excuse.

MysteryTripAgain · 08/09/2019 09:29

I reported it

That's an entitlement that all MN members have. MNHQ will review and delete themselves if, in their impartial view, it contravened their Talk Guidelines. They did not.

You realised it was too disgusting and asked them to pull it

There were more negative than positive comments. So to respect the majority view MNHQ were requested to remove the post.

bellinisurge · 08/09/2019 09:30

Spin it how you like.

Sinuhe · 08/09/2019 09:35

Dear Brussels,

I am sorry for the appealing behaviour of the politicians of my adopted country.
Please don't give them any more extensions, as it will just prolong the uncertainty.
When I am finally made to leave this country, please welcome me and my family with open arms. I know I have spend my last 20 working years in Great Britain, and will probably arrive with nothing as all my rights will be void, if they get their wishes.
Please be kind to the rest of my family, despite their British passports. They only want all of us to stay together as a family and are very lost and scared about their future. Especially my partner who is near retirement age and might loose entitlements by leaving his birth country due to new rules and regulations.
My children are almost adults and I promise, they will work hard towards their exams, but please tum a blind eye if the result is far away from what they are capable of. They are hard working and will adjust to their new home, they just need a bit of time.

Regards

Sinuhe

Leela96 · 08/09/2019 09:47

No @MysteryTripAgain* , you accused a poster of supporting terrorism

That's what it sounded like on first read. However, the post was deleted by MNHQ at my request even though MN had no issues with the post.*

Promoting the IRA does not help anything*

This is what you said .

Please explain how this can be interpreted in any other way. How does it sound on a second read ?

MysteryTripAgain · 08/09/2019 09:52

Please explain how this can be interpreted in any other way

That is what your post sounded like.

How does it sound on a second read

First read was referring to your post, not mine.

bellinisurge · 08/09/2019 09:55

@MysteryTripAgain you made the accusation. You are still trying to deflect responsibility.

MysteryTripAgain · 08/09/2019 10:45

Dear Brussels

Please stop tying-up my taxes and the time of my MEPs and government with all this Brexit shite the Brits have created for themselves

Thanks

Dear TheCatsA××××

Article 50 was developed between 2000 and 2009 by the European Council and agreed by all member states. The purpose of the article was to enable any member to leave the Union if they so wished. Any union that does not allow members to leave would be an undemocratic union.

A withdrawal agreement was agreed between EU negotiators and the UK PM, Mrs Theresa May. The EU assumed that Mrs May had already received parliamentary approval in advance in accordance with UK established by the Miller Case.

This assumption was wrong. Mrs May had not received approval from parliament. It also came to light that Mrs May had attempted to prevent advice provided by the UK attorney General, with respect to the wording of the WA, from parliament.

MPs, understandably, did not want to vote on the WA without the opportunity to see the attorney General advice. WA was voted down by UK parliament by an overwhelming majority of 230. WA was also voted down a further two times.
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UK parliament objection to the WA was primarily over the backstop. When UK leaves the EU there will be an EU member (Ireland 🇮🇪) that is connected to a non EU country. To maintain the single market and protect customs revenue, border controls must exist between EU and non EU countries in accordance with EU law.

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Regards

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