Dear Brussels...

[Miljah]

Of course I know the EU's equivalent of Whitehall scrutinise what we say and do- possibly even MN!

But if you had their ear, what would you say?

I do understand that there is no complete, overriding consensus within the EU 'Parliament'!

But imagine you are addressing the EU MEPs.

What would you like to feel they should know?

The UK will also have to install border controls otherwise they fall foul of WTO rules which require you to have control over your economic area in order to trade. Doesn't have to be a hard border but in the absence of any UK parliamentary approval for WA it must be.
Don't blame Ireland for your No Deal mess.

@bellinisurge

Outcome could be that there are two borders. An EU border in Ireland 🇮🇪 and a vague WTO control of the the economic area whatever that is meant to mean. WTO have previously stated that they will not require either Ireland 🇮🇪 or the United Kingdom to install a hard border.

Error seems to be the British Irish Council in not following the GFA guidelines with regard to take into account how changes in EU policies may affect either North or South

*Please explain how this can be interpreted in any other way

That is what your post sounded like.

How does it sound on a second read

First read was referring to your post, not mine.*

So once again for the slow people in the back , mystery you might be better sitting up the front . I stated facts .

You amadán

Ah yes, it's all everyone else's fault, WTO rules aren't really rules, No Deal might mean some little bumps in the road. You really have fallen for the cult, haven't you.

MysteryTrip you've re-iterated this notion that the EU had no role in the GFA over several threads, as if it was a "gotcha".

In fact, you are wilfully misunderstanding the structure of how the GFA was drafted.
One of the main pillars of the GFA was the notion of "rights" for all citizens of NI.
These "rights" are upheld by the European Court of Human Rights.

So, as such, the GFA is inherently reliant on the EU to maintain those rights....and maintaining the rights of all citizens is integral to peace.

Ergo, the Eu absolutely has a role in supervising and maintaining peace in NI.
It is disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

The London Govt has already started to roll back some of those rights pre-Brexit which stokes fear that further incursions will follow.
Given that the civil war Troubles were triggered by a Civil Rights movement demanding equal provision of education and housing and employment for one sector of Northern Ireland's population, I would think that was quite concerning- wouldn't you?

Error seems to be the British Irish Council in not following the GFA guidelines with regard to take into account how changes in EU policies may affect either North or South

Oh, please.

"It's the British Irish Councils fault"
"It's the EU's fault".

Where are the adults, not seeking to throw fault around, but looking for common ground in order to find a compromise where "I win, you win"?

“There were more negative than positive comments. So to respect the majority view MNHQ were requested to remove the post.”

So interesting. I wonder why a post that so many objected to should be deleted? Surely you revel in people disagreeing with you? Or could it be that on this occasion you realised you had gone too far and looked foolish and were embarrassed by your comment?

MysteryTripAgain, you seem to be arguing with yourself all over this thread. No matter who posts, or what their point of view is, you have an argument.

It’s quite strange.

We would love to welcome you back some time

Yours

The EU

Good god, I really hope that’s never a consideration.

The whole thing is like an abusive break-up.

I’m going.
Fine.
Oh, so you actually WANT me to go?
No, but I want you to do what you feel you need to do...
Right, I’m off.
Bye.
I’m going,just watch.
Ok. See ya.
But... but... you have to give me the sofa, a set of spare keys to the front door, and I’m not paying the rent that’s due.
No, I’m not accepting that.
Right, so you’re not letting me leave. I haaaaaate you. You’re soooooo mean. This is all your fault.
You’re behaving like a child, I’m going to ignore you now.
Throws tantrum Look what you made me do now!!! Wait, come back... can’t you see I wanted to discuss this with you?

Judging by some of the posts it sounds like other members requested MNHQ some of my posts, but no action was taken. So in MNHQ view there was nothing at all in the posts that contraved their guidelines.

MNHQ will review and delete themselves if, in their impartial view, it contravened their Talk Guidelines. They did not.

@MNHQ - can you please confirm whether these comments by @MysteryTripAgain are correct or not? Does accusing another poster of supporting terrorism contravene your talk guidelines or not?

@MysteryTripAgain - EU are not signatories to this agreement and it does not form part of the EU law. Therefore the backstop in the WA arises from the EU wish to comply with EU law as opposed to the private agreement made between Ireland 🇮🇪 and the United Kingdom.

Ireland is an EU member. Negotiations on a deal to leave the EU happen with the EU as whole. The EU is representing the views and concerns of its members in these negotiations. It's not really that difficult to understand.

Error seems to be the British Irish Council in not following the GFA guidelines with regard to take into account how changes in EU policies may affect either North or South

The error was in believing the UK when they said they intended upholding the GFA and that it was a priority for them. Integrity, don't you know.

@HerSymphonyAndSong - Or could it be that on this occasion you realised you had gone too far and looked foolish and were embarrassed by your comment?

That doesn't appear to be the case. See the posts claiming that mnhq obviously don't have an issue with the comments. It's actually shocking that (s)he sees nothing wrong with the comments.

@DuchessDumbarton

How does ECHR relate to a member after they have left the EU?

ECHR is not an EU institution. Sorry/not sorry

“That doesn't appear to be the case. See the posts claiming that mnhq obviously don't have an issue with the comments. It's actually shocking that (s)he sees nothing wrong with the comments.”

I agree but the poster has not from what they have said previously requested that posts be deleted, and has clearly been affected by more negative responses. So my sense is that they are trying to save face and avoid a record of their abhorrent views because they knew they went too far on this occasion (I am not saying that they are remorseful). Needed to rein it in so they can keep on with the wind-up.

@HerSymphonyAndSong - So my sense is that they are trying to save face and avoid a record of their abhorrent views because they knew they went too far on this occasion

I agree. And then the posts stating that as they were not reprimanded by mnhq, the posts were not in any way dodgy suggests that they are a poor, bullied person, who simply disagrees with the majority.

MysteryTrip
Interesting question....of course, I am sure that you are as capable of research as I am.

You've avoided the question I posed; i.e. that rolling back civil rights, as upheld by the ECHR, is potentially concerning for sectors of Northern Ireland and hence the peace there.
Would you agree?

There are many, many, many ramifications to Brexit that have not been maturely considered.

Unfortunately TheCatsACunt has it..... this is akin to an abusive breakup.

@TheCatsACunt sob

@DuchessDumbarton - You've avoided the question I posed

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for an answer. @MysteryTripAgain doesn't like answering questions. On another thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3671696-So-Johnson-has-30-days-to-come-up-with-an-alternative-to-the-backstop?pg=1&order= I repeatedly asked them two very simple yes/no questions:

1). Are you happy that your government has acted, and continues to act, in a way that is likely to result in an international peace treaty being broken, particularly as there are multiple ways the UK could leave the EU, thus honouring the leave vote, whilst still complying with the GF?

2). Do you believe the UK electoral system is democratic?

I repeatedly got a lot of waffle in response but no straight answers. They did state they believe the UK electoral system is democratic when you get the result you want but undemocratic when you don't get the result you want. However, they have since rowed back on that position.

@TheCatsACunt
You nailed it .

Yes, whyamidoingthis I am well aware the s/he won't answer.
However, I find it very hard to let untruths pass without commenting and challenging them.

The one about the British Irish council being negligent in not having a crystal ball and foreseeing Brex shit really galls me.

@DuchessDumbarton - Yes, I agree. It's very important to challenge that type of misinformation.

The one about the British Irish council being negligent in not having a crystal ball and foreseeing Brex shit really galls me

The wording of the GFA and the duties of the BIC British Irish Council requires that they take into account how changes in EU policies might affect the North and South.

Article 50 passed in 2009, but BIC did not take it into account. No protocol developed to describe what would happen if Article 50 invoked by either Ireland or the United Kingdom.

Go through the BIC website and all the annual reports and records of the meetings and you will not find any reference to plans if Article 50 is invoked.

Nothing discussed when Cameron annouced in 2013 he would call a referendum if elected.

Nothing discussed when Cameron was elected in 2015.

Witch hunts don't achieve anything. However, when borders go up on Ireland as a result of EU law there will likely be questions.

Galled is because you are afraid that a witch hunt will conclude that the British Irish Council were negligent.

@whyamidoingthis

There is no disinformation. The GFA makes clear reference to EU policies and the BIC duties are clear. The BIC was established after GFA with the purpose of safe guarding the GFA and to hold new early discussions if there had been any changes that could affect either North or South.

Maybe there could be a thread just on this subject?

Dear Brussels. Don't agree to another extension.

Dear Brussels. Don't agree to another extension

Brussels have said there will not be an extension without good reason such as a further referendum or general election.

Parliament rules out a further referendum in the meaningful votes. The anti Brexit MPs are trying to block a general election.

So how does the EU justify an extension?