Does anyone here actively WANT no deal?

[justintimberlakesfishwife]

And if so why, and how do you expect it to play out if that's the outcome?

@mightyminty - Good, bad or otherwise is better than uncertainty

Says someone who obviously lives nowhere near NI.

Good, bad or otherwise is better than uncertainty

No I don’t think the consequences of No Deal are ‘better’ than anything really.

My family live in NI. It’s peoples lives we’re talking about here when you ‘rip the plaster’. Not that you give one singular shit.

I’d like the government to work out the details like civilised grownups. It’s fucking pathetic that this is beyond them.

I am so sick of ppl who have never given a single thought to NI talking so blithely about No Deal.

‘Rip the plaster’, it’s callous and stupid in equal measures. I had no idea what pricks people could be before this.

Don’t get me wrong it would be great to have a deal that would clarity the way forward for all the issues that have been debated for the last 3 years. BUT in this vacuum of no consensus, it would be good to know what you’re dealing with ... so you can start dealing with it!!

BUT in this vacuum of no consensus, it would be good to know what you’re dealing with ... so you can start dealing with it!!

So we do know. Civil war

Do you really think it will get as bad as the old days in N Ireland @LaurieMarlow? My in laws are there and I really worry about them.

There needs to be an to the uncertainty! It’s divisive, it’s dangerous and is the biggest issue!

couldn't agree more @LaurieMarlow. (fantastic username btw)

mightyminty- an end to uncertainty would be great- as long as that end doesn't fuck us over entirely.

miljah I agree. But it’s the fear and anxiety of the unknown that’s the biggest weapon that’s being used by our (so called) political representatives... on all sides! I’m sick of it and just want to know what I need to deal with. Is that too much to ask?

Yes, I do.
The Withdrawal Agreement the EU still insists is the only game in town is not a deal and cannot be amended into a deal.
There was no reference to any 'deal' on the referendum ballot paper and leaving without signing the WA, and then moving to trade with EU members on WTO terms, is not 'crashing out ' but refusing to become the EU's captives, which would be the net effect of signing.

Leaving on WTO terms is the only way to deliver the Brexit the country voted for, and will have the advantage of giving the UK the upper hand in subsequent trade negotiations as the EU seeks to defend its near £100bn a year trade surplus with us.

And note none of this is about me. I have zero sympathy with selfish people whose sole concern is how they think Brexit might affect them personally, who would apparently surrender our sovereignty in order to save half an hour at an airport check in.
I'm disappointed people like that even get to vote.

I have zero sympathy with selfish people whose sole concern is how they think Brexit might affect them personally

Gosh yes, those selfish fuckers of Northern Ireland. How dare they put their need for peace first

One thing about brexit is that it’s revealed all the arseholes.

That’s a new one! We discussed much, but never have I read anyone here saying he’s worried about 1/2h queues at the airport
A new one for the bingo?

Boris said today he would rather be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Now THAT is a people's vote i would get behind...

“. I have zero sympathy with selfish people whose sole concern is how they think Brexit might affect them personally”
Yep- all those selfish bastards in Northern Ireland......

It still wouldn’t get us anywhere though ... he’d just be dead🎚

Me!

I’m not a Brit, nor do I live in the UK. I’m sick to shit of my (EU) country’s parliamentary time and resources being taken up with Brexit. I’m sick of Brexit planning in my country taking up my tax euros.

You lot created this shitstorm, so I want a no deal as the fastest mechanism to get you out so you’re not wasting even more of everyone else’s time.

Ireland then ...

Bologna Agreement is what Miljah was referring to.

whyamidoingthis

Only surprise for me was that it took so long to get to that point. Ireland is the sole reason why I’d want to avoid a no-deal. I don’t particularly care about the rest. All manageable. Notwithstanding I’d feel sorry for the hardships of individual people. Particularly those that don’t subscribe to the religion of Brexit – suffering is harder if you don’t feel like you’re doing it for a greater cause.

The war rhetoric is astounding; ‘surrender bill’: next coming up is a rendition of ten German bombers by the entire cabinet.

There will be no trade deal, simple or otherwise, until the backstop or another mechanism to protect the border is agreed, the bill is paid and citizens rights agreed

That's where the process has failed. As per Article 50 both withdrawal and the future relationship are to be discussed at the same time. If it takes longer than 2 years to do that, fine.

‘Leaving on WTO terms’ is another meaningless nonsense phrase.

Larry - are you a DM bot? You talk such extensive drivel about WTO and the "brexit people voted for" (no they didn't) makes one wonder if there is an actual person typing that.

@MysteryTripAgain - That's where the process has failed. As per Article 50 both withdrawal and the future relationship are to be discussed at the same time.

No. The process has failed because the UK has gone back on their word to uphold the GFA. They have shown such lack of integrity in the process that legal protections are required as they cannot be trusted.

@WHY

Take a look at

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7551/CBP-7551.pdf

This document was produced in January 2017 before Article 50 was triggered in March 2017.

It records that UK wanted both WA and the future trade deal to be discussed at the same time, but EU refused even though Article 50 was in December 2009 it stated that both discussions should take place at the same time.

How did EU come to the conclusion that UK had gone back on the GFA before negotiations commenced?