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It looks like Johnson is getting ready to call an election

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StealthPolarBear · 02/09/2019 06:39

So why might that be? (genuine question, struggling to follow all this stuff)
Is he anticipating a huge win, giving him a mandate for what he does next? A bit like May in 2017?

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Egghead68 · 02/09/2019 08:02

I think the Corbyn- hate is largely down to the anti-semitism.

DarkAtEndOfUK · 02/09/2019 08:05

It was going long before anti-semitism accusations were brought in to bolster it Egghead.

BertrandRussell · 02/09/2019 08:05

“I think the Corbyn- hate is largely down to the anti-semitism.“

I don’t. I don’t think Middle England cares about anti Semitism. I think the Corbyn hate is the result of very cleverly targeted propaganda convincing the hard of thinking that he is an extremist who’s going to tax their gardens and introduce ladies only carriages on the trains.

stucknoue · 02/09/2019 08:06

Probably because he's realised he cannot do as he (and fellow brexitteers) claim they could, I think he knew this even before standing for pm. Hes actually hoping for a hung parliament the other way around all so someone else sorts the mess out

BertrandRussell · 02/09/2019 08:08

There’s currently a thread on AIBU where around 40% are voting that the prospect of a Corbyn government is more terrifying than the prospect of no deal Brexit fallout......

NoCauseRebel · 02/09/2019 08:12

There isn’t time to call a GE before Brexit. And let’s be honest, if he calls an election he will still win.

The problem is that you’re only going to get the Johnson haters on these threads. But fact is that A, the Tory party have had the majority now since 2011, through three general elections, one of which was called by the PM after the referendum. Johnson was voted in by conservative members by a vast majority (and no, our PM is not elected by the electorate in this country so it was as it should be).

I don’t think there is a leader amongst the lot of them tbh, and Corbin makes my skin crawl. You only have to listen to him in the commons, he gets increasingly hysterical as he shouts his demands, he sounds almost unhinged tbh. Even his own party held a vote of no confidence against him.....

Unfortunately the poles indicate that the conservatives would still win an election and that if there were another referendum Brexit would still win....

And I voted remain....

BonnesVacances · 02/09/2019 08:12

There’s currently a thread on AIBU where around 40% are voting that the prospect of a Corbyn government is more terrifying than the prospect of no deal Brexit fallout......

That's ridiculous! Can't folk see the difference between the forever-ness of Brexit and having a PM for a period of time? No wonder we're in such a mess!

bellinisurge · 02/09/2019 08:14

Precisely. I despise Corbyn and swore never to vote Labour with him as leader. But he is temporary and any damage he does as PM can be fixed. No Deal would be a fucking catastrophe with long lasting effects from which we would struggle to recover in my lifetime.
I want to be wrong soo badly.

meditrina · 02/09/2019 08:14

I do not believe you need to be 'hard of thinking' to support or repudiate any particular political viewpoint (and indeed see that attitude as one which fosters polarisation and division)

I do not support Corbyn personally, but I think he is good choice as leader (I like it when politicians have clear ideas of what they believe in). But I am concerned about his cronyism.

meditrina · 02/09/2019 08:15

"That's ridiculous! Can't folk see the difference between the forever-ness of Brexit and having a PM for a period of time?"

Yes, I think they can, and they still come to a different conclusion to you.

Sunshine196 · 02/09/2019 08:18

I thought I read somewhere that if he calls a GE then brexit might be delayed although I'm not sure what the benefit of this would
be to him as he seems keen to push on with it. It's all a bit of a disaster whatever happens. I bet he will get in. I think it's awful that we've been put in this position where whatever the public vote for we are being shafted.

Bluntness100 · 02/09/2019 08:19

If parliament succeeds this week in taking no deal off th table and forcing him to seek another extension like they did with Teresa May, he will go for a general election i believe. In the hope he will win and garner a bigger majority than he does now, which will allow him more ability to pass what he wants. He will also deselect the rebel mps, as right now parliament is in a stale mate and he can't get anything through. So something needs to change, it can't continue as is.

If parliament doesn't succeed in taking no deal off the table this week, he won't go for a general election right away. It all depends on what happens this week.

I suspect even if he gets us to leave though, with a deal, he will still seek a general election to improve his majority.

Either way we are going to have a general election, it's just when. Either ASAP as no deal is off the table, or shortly after we leave.

Medievalist · 02/09/2019 08:30

Corbyn has been trashed and smeared by the press. And it seems that a lot of people believe what they read.

Actually, if you watch him on PMQs you can see first hand how inept he is. Unable to say anything other than read from the script someone has put in front of him. Completely incapable of debating or making off the cuff statements. So many missed opportunities to undermine the opposition, but he doesn't have the intellectual capacity.

What he does have is his 'principles' and a complete inability to be pragmatic in order to achieve something. I loathe him.
If he wasn't so vain he would step aside for the good of the party when they have a rare opportunity to win a GE.

DippyAvocado · 02/09/2019 08:39

The Corbyn hate is down to his inability to win an election, leaving us saddled with the ever-increasing horror show of the Conservative government. I supported him when he was elected leader but he has been a hopeless leader of the opposition, has not performed well in PMQ and failed to hold the government to account, which should have been an open goal given the government's own hopelessness. The media may have unfair towards him in some respects, but there's no way to come back from that now and win over new voters so he just needs to go.

He campaigned well at the last election so may pick up a few votes that way or from people who will hold their nose to try to avoid a Bozo government, but he will not win a majority so he needs to stand down in favour of someone who could.

FenellaMaxwell · 02/09/2019 08:58

I dislike Corbyn for many reasons. His bumbling substitute geography teacher incompetence when asked a direct question. His antisemitism. His rigid believes and seeming inability to see beyond those.

BertrandRussell · 02/09/2019 09:02

To be fair, being good at PMQs is not a particularly good indicator of being a good Prime Minister- it’s a very specific skill set. Cameron was excellent at it- and widely considered one of the worst prime ministers we have ever had.

BertrandRussell · 02/09/2019 09:03

“His rigid believes and seeming inability to see beyond those.”

Like what? What specific Labour policies that were in the Manifesto do you object to?

yestotwoplease · 02/09/2019 09:06

Still not used to hearing about Johnson so much. Every time I hear it, I think of Johnson off Peep Show.

Medievalist · 02/09/2019 09:10

To be fair, being good at PMQs is not a particularly good indicator of being a good Prime Minister- it’s a very specific skill set.

I'm not talking about great oratory here. I'm talking about the ability to think on his feet and make counter arguments. Someone with such sluggish mental capacity can hardly run a country successfully.

leckford · 02/09/2019 09:10

Magic Grandpa, Abacus Abbot, communist McDonell are all sock puppets of the sinister Milne.

Brexit is preferable.

bellinisurge · 02/09/2019 09:16

No Deal Brexit is so shit it is NOT preferable to those useless tossers. They won't last. The effects of No Deal Brexit will.

MaximusHeadroom · 02/09/2019 09:20

I don't understand the Corbyn hate.

Nor me. The Tories have:

Split the country with an ill-planned and unnecessary referendum
plunged us into 3 years of Brexit negotiations during which no real governing has been done
brought public services to breaking point with a combination of austerity and resisting closing tax loopholes used by big business
Attempted to circumventing our democracy with the Poroguation of Parliament
Are now hinting that they will ignore a legal challenge in the commons in order to push a No Deal Brexit through - something for which they have no mandate.

How on earth could Corbyn be worse?

What I also don't understand is that on the one hand he is ripped apart for his lack of action on anything, but at the same time this massive fear that he will suddenly leap into action and destroy the country.

I wonder what any Tory leader would have to do in order to be considered worse than Corbyn? Kill the Queen? Eat a baby?

CorbynsAnorak · 02/09/2019 09:27

Whatever you think of Corbyn, how anyone can think that he will be more dangerous and chaotic than the current shitstorm we are dealing with is beyond me.

Lifebi · 02/09/2019 09:30

I suspect that Boris also fears the prospect of leaving without a deal.
By appealing to the huge numbers of no deal Brexit loonies and promising gazillions from the magic money tree, they believe they can get a majority without the support of the DUP dickheads and so will negotiate a 'new' deal with the EU where the backstop only applies to NI.
Which frankly might be the least awful solution to this that we can hope for.

TatianaLarina · 02/09/2019 09:30

Corbyn has trashed and smeared himself. He is thick, inept, utterly unsuited to the job, and a puppet of Milne, McCluskey and Murphy.

The anti-Semitism is only part of his problem. His woefully incompetent stance on Brexit has alienated Labour Remainers who form the majority of his voters. He has shown zero leadership on Brexit at a time when the country needs its main opposition party like never before. The reason for that is simple: he is pro-Brexit and he and his advisors are quite happy to see a Tory led Brexit whereby they get the Brexit they’re after while the Tories take the blame.

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