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BrexitArmsLandlady · 28/08/2019 22:12

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lalag · 04/09/2019 13:23

@AuldAlliance

Not answering the question. Just name calling πŸ€·πŸΌβ€β™€οΈ

AuldAlliance · 04/09/2019 13:46

I was answering the question.

I was pointing out that the post you referred to did not state that the EU was going to bail the UK out, but that the UK government was counting on it to do so.
Your question as to why everyone is so scared of No Deal suggests that they are foolish to react thus, as No Deal won't happen.
My reply stated (1) that the UK government are deluded if they think for an instant that the EU will bail them out and (2) that most people are aware of this, which is why they are still concerned at the imminent prospect of No Deal.

ContinuityError · 04/09/2019 14:28

So you agree, that UK taxpayers money was used to bailout a Eurozone member, glad we agree on that.

The UK contributed to loans for Ireland and Portugal, all of which were paid back in full, plus the UK had a separate loan agreement with Ireland (with handsome interest repayments included).

The UK has never contributed to the loans to Greece, Spain or Cyprus, and (since 2011) has had no requirement to be involved with loans to Eurozone members.

So again, your analogy of downtrodden UK workers bailing out the Greeks is utter nonsense.

Glad we can agree on that indeed.

merrymouse · 04/09/2019 16:24

And, if true that the EU will bail us out, why is everyone so frightened of a No Deal then if we're going to get a massive cash injection and help from the EU?

Bail out in the sense of take pity on the UK and continue to honour treaties that are no longer operational because the UK has left - and I don't think Remainers are expecting a bail out.

It's very evident in the way that Leave supporting politicians talk about Ireland or the WTO, or the way people on this thread suggest the the EU has a moral duty to ensure the UK doesn't run short of medical supplies.

Apparently it is in the long term interests of every other country to bail out the UK in the event of a 'No Deal', but any other recipients of aid or support are scrounging con artists.

Parker231 · 04/09/2019 17:00

Of course people are frightened of a no deal exit as it will destroy the economy, jobs, supply chain and our financial markets.

lalag · 04/09/2019 18:56

@ContinuityError it's not, our money was used to bail out the Greeks. Β£850million of our money in 2015.

@merrymouse still waiting for a source. And hey great that the EU will take pity on us and bail us out. Win!

ContinuityError · 04/09/2019 19:31

lalag you are mistaken - the UK was not liable for any loans provided by the EU to Greece in 2015. The UK would have been fully recompensed for any defaults on loans made from the EFSM.

Unless of course you’re getting confused about IMF loans?

Which of course would be absolutely nothing to do with your original contention of why on earth would you want to be part of a club that takes your hard-earned money and gives it to irresponsible members? as the IMF is not part of the EU.

(And don’t bother tagging me - it just goes to an unmonitored email).

merrymouse · 04/09/2019 19:49

lalag. You seem to be confused.

I have never said that the EU will literally give the UK money (although there is no guarantee it won't come to that).

As has been explained to you twice, I am saying that Leavers assume that post Brexit the EU will compromise their border/expedite medicine deliveries/keep the planes flying because of a mixture of good will and pragmatism; but display complete incomprehension when the EU supports any other country.

It's like listening to children who only want to enforce the rules on who gets control of the car stereo when it's their turn.

You also seem to be a bit confused about the terms agreed around the Β£850 million:

"As part of this short-term financing package, George Osborne has backed down over the use of the EU’s bailout fund, the European Financial Stabilisation Mechanism, to finance Greece’s short-term needs.

However, the chancellor said there would be an β€œimpregnable ringfence” around the Β£850m of British money in the fund to prevent any losses to the UK taxpayer.

Speaking after the deal, Osborne said it was a β€œsignificant victory and strengthened the protections for the UK in the latest Greek bailout and any future bailouts of eurozone countries”.

He added: β€œI said British taxpayers’ money would not be on the line in any agreement and that’s precisely what we have achieved.”

In the event of a default by Greece, non-eurozone countries would be compensated using the profits made on holdings of Greek bonds by the ECB"

www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jul/16/greece-debt-crisis-ecb-cash-lifeline-reopen-greek-banks

You should note that the final result was achieved through negotiation, not enforcement, and the UK will always have to negotiate with the EU, whether or not they are a member. The constrictions of international diplomacy and economic reality exist independently of the UK's membership of the EU.

Testamentritualis · 04/09/2019 19:59

Back of the net BrexitArmsLandlady lol

time4chocolate · 04/09/2019 20:37

Just trying to catch up after a manic day work/family wise.

Can someone just let me know if I am understanding this correctly:

MPs have decided that no deal is now off the table, Boris wants to ask the people by way of a GE but he may not be able to do that because the timing doesn’t suit the Labour Party? so who is going to decide how and what happens next?

I don’t think I can face sitting through another omnishambles tonight.

Parker231 · 04/09/2019 20:44

@time4chocolate - good summary. Don’t think Labour will support a GE until they have the guarantee that no deal is off the table and they don’t trust BJ to not fiddle the system and move election date until after 31 October.

mummmy2017 · 04/09/2019 23:29

Macron has just said that there is no point in more delays, he won't agree to it ..
EU could just say finish it as the UK Parliament is deadlocked.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 04/09/2019 23:40

So we will probably have an election. Boris verses Corbyn. Bring it on.

bellinisurge · 05/09/2019 06:10

Despise Corbyn to my core. Have said so on here many times that I would never vote for him. But Corbyn or No Deal Brexit, it's Corbyn. No Deal Brexit would be a fucking catastrophe, Corbyn's legacy would be short lived by comparison.
In my constituency we have enough noisy Leave voters to threaten a strong Labour seat. God forgive me but I would vote Labour to see them off.
And I know that's "what Corbyn wants". But I lived through Thatcher. Even a political stain like her becomes history after a while.

twofingerstoEverything · 05/09/2019 06:42

At least 434 MPs would have to give the green light for there to be an election. Corbyn doesn't sound too keen, given his statement that an election is 'like offering an apple to Snow White', so the Tories might just have to own their own mess.

mummy Macron has just said that there is no point in more delays, he won't agree to it .. EU could just say finish it as the UK Parliament is deadlocked.
Did he say that before or after watching Johnson losing all those votes in parliament?

mummmy2017 · 05/09/2019 07:00

I think it is funny that France can see this is such a mess, the country want to go .
Given a second referendum it would be leave, because Parliament has shown they don't give a stuff what the vote was.
Then labour won't win an election.
So more of the same.
Can you imagine if the no deal gets blocked but the EU say go . The MPs can do nothing about it

time4chocolate · 05/09/2019 08:17

Agree Mummy I think MPs voting against no deal may have scored a massive own goal, likewise JC he will have to agree to an election by Monday otherwise he may as well stay down on his allotment.

Despise Corbyn to my core. Have said so on here many times that I would never vote for him. But Corbyn or No Deal Brexit, it's Corbyn. No Deal Brexit would be a fucking catastrophe, Corbyn's legacy would be short lived by comparison

Bellini I feel similar with the difference being I would replace 'Corbyn' with 'Farage' and replace 'No Deal' with 'Remain'. Funny how we find ourselves contemplating things we wouldn't have thought possible 6 months ago but, that's politics in 2019 for you.

Parker231 · 05/09/2019 08:20

BJ is posting on Twitter that he is determined that the UK will leave the EU on 31 October. Not sure how that’s going to work but when Parliament have blocked a no deal and there is nothing to suggest there is any agreement over a deal with the EU.

time4chocolate · 05/09/2019 08:28

At the end of the day the U.K. may have passed a law saying we can't leave without a deal but for it to be completely off the table the EU are going to have to pass a law their end to amend A50.

If, as some people have been saying on here, no deal isn't going to be as detrimental for the EU and the EU say they have plans in place for a no deal then they could just tell us to 'do one' and there is nothing the UK can do to prevent them from doing this.

merrymouse · 05/09/2019 08:33

likewise JC he will have to agree to an election by Monday otherwise he may as well stay down on his allotment.

Why? Because the Sun have called him a chicken? I think he has heard worse than that.

merrymouse · 05/09/2019 08:38

I feel similar with the difference being I would replace 'Corbyn' with 'Farage' and replace 'No Deal' with 'Remain'.

Farage doesn't have the foggiest idea how to implement leaving the EU. He is just shouting from the sidelines. There may be many bad things about Corbyn, but he has held onto his seat for 30 years and carried out his job as a constituency MP. Farage is just a fraud.

ContinuityError · 05/09/2019 08:41

JC he will have to agree to an election by Monday

He may well agree to an election - but after 31st October to ensure that the No Deal bill is enacted rather than just receiving Royal Assent.

Funny how nobody trusts Johnson.

time4chocolate · 05/09/2019 08:41

Why? Because the Sun have called him a chicken? I think he has heard worse than that

Because he said in front of everyone that he wasn't going to agree to an GE until the no deal bill had been passed, which will be on Friday. He could of course move the goalposts.

time4chocolate · 05/09/2019 08:45

Farage doesn't have the foggiest idea how to implement leaving the EU

Neither does anyone else.

ContinuityError · 05/09/2019 08:52

And yet on Monday evening Johnson stood in front of No 10 and told the nation he didn’t want an election?

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