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Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!

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RedToothBrush · 23/08/2019 00:28

It's quite remarkable to watch the British press atm.

It's like it doesn't understand English. Well only if its English spoken by foreigners.

Merkel made the observation that the UK had spent two years looking at the Irish border but had failed to come up with a workable solution, and now Johnson has waltzed in and made statements about how the backstop must go, and only has 30 days in which this can be achieved.

The British press writes this up as Merkel giving the UK a deadline to come up with a new solution.

Which is nonsense. The UK have a deadline to save itself, from itself and that's 31st October. This is a self imposed deadline.

Meanwhile comes out with the Brexiteer smack down that he didn't think the UK wS leaving the EU to regain its sovereignty only to become a vassalage or junior partner to the US.

Both these ideas being the result of leaving the EU have long been key issues. From before the ref. Both have been the UK's to solve in order to get the terms the UK wants from a deal.

The referendum was about choosing to align with the EU or to ditch that and rights and align closely with the US. Then Trump happened and the sell on this got harder, but still essentially the same. And it continues.

And then there was the Irish border. The magic solution to Brexit that doesn't break the GFA. I personally think there isn't one as long as the DUP have their red lines about the Irish sea.

So here we are. More than 3 years after the ref.

Leavers still have no plan. Apart for charge headlong over the cliff. Remains still have their heads wedged up their own backsides and also, after spending months criticising every one else on social media anyway who makes a stand again this bull shit.

Yet the newspapers fail to report what Merkel said or why the UK has this issue in the first place. Its an ongoing exercise in national delusion and self denial.

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DGRossetti · 27/08/2019 08:59

If the Queen/Monarch does whatever the government says, then - at the risk of being incendiary - what is the fucking point of them ? Or are we now going to see the new "never claim" insurance policy (no doubt from Backstop Brokers ?)

We pay an eye-watering amount from our taxes for the Royal family. I could just about stomach it, if they really were an integral part of our constitution. But now it emerges they can't actually do anything (which suggest they never could) then where's my fucking refund ?

I'm going to start a new business for post-Brexit Britain. Decorative fire extinguishers. They look good, but can't actually be used to put out fires. I've already got an idea for some ranges ... the Regal, the Royal, the Monarch, the Majesty and the fucking useless.

DGRossetti · 27/08/2019 09:01

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Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!
jasjas1973 · 27/08/2019 09:03

DGR i'm not a Royalist, i'd bin them all tomo.

The Queen has signed off some pretty shitty laws over her reign and she'd sign off shutting down parliament too.

As for the Royals bring in the tourists...no they don't, they come to see the property and pageant, both can stay without paying for a symbolic/shambolic family to live in these places.

France seems to attract plenty of tourists without a royal family.

jasjas1973 · 27/08/2019 09:05

All these FB polls seem to give a 48/52 split and like the royals a complete waste of time.

Lets have a real poll!!!

Peregrina · 27/08/2019 09:06

DGR by Johnson's arithmetic that is a big majority for not shutting down Parliament. Should he be told this? Should he be told that shutting down Parliament is not likely to pass the "What's in it/Is it good for Boris?" Test.

DarkAtEndOfUK · 27/08/2019 09:18

Stating the bleeding obvious alert: that poll was run by Leave Means Leave, so responders are more likely to be Brexiters. A poll on the whole population is more likely to answer No, not less.

It's reassuring to know that Brexiters haven't all gone mad.

DGRossetti · 27/08/2019 09:23

I rather thought the "poll" was making a point, rather than reflecting the arithmetic of respondents ...

DGRossetti · 27/08/2019 09:27

DGR i'm not a Royalist, i'd bin them all tomo.

I've never been a royalist ... but I've also never been convinced enough by any alternatives to push for change. Probably because I'm not a cretinous moron who likes to vote for things that are unclear or undecided just for lolz.

That said, right now, I'm feeling less than well disposed towards the institution of the Monarchy, and it's clear to all that something is afoot with all the bad press some of them appear to be generating.

That said, we are a long way from early Victorian republican sentiment.

DGRossetti · 27/08/2019 09:36

Incidentally, POTUS can also do "fuck business" with the best of them ...

www.theregister.co.uk/2019/08/26/dell_vmworld_china_tariffs/

Michael Dell sounded off against the China-US trade war today at VMware's VMworld 2019 conference in San Francisco, branding the ongoing row as "unproductive."

(contd)

and since we're on POTUS, yet another try for him to insist to the US courts he's "special"

www.theregister.co.uk/2019/08/26/trump_appeals_twitter_block/

Donald Trump should be allowed to block people from his Twitter feed because it is not an official government account, the president’s lawyers have re-argued in a legal appeal.

(contd)

The Trump/Twitter spat is of note, as it highlights a fundamental distinction between the US justice system and the UK "justice" system. It seems the US system has been framed to keep an eye out for the state trying to pull a fast one on the constitution and pretend that "whatever" is really a private matter. Which is key to US justice.

Meanwhile in England (once again I need to make the distinction from Scotland) it's pretty much anything goes, and if a government department finds obeying the law a tad tiresome, all it needs to do is hire some private companies and - Presto ! - instant deniability.

I'm pretty certain the Home Office would be a hollow shell by now, if based in the US, and been torn several new ones for it's lawbreaking ways.

prettybird · 27/08/2019 09:42

The very fact that BlowJob is saying that the job of everybody (Hmm) in Parliament is to deliver Brexit yet is refusing to rule out proroguing Parliament demonstrates that he is worried.

But unfortunately I agree with what others have said previously: because the No Dealers are 100% single minded in their pursuit of No Deal, no matter the consequences , while the "Dealers", both Remain and Soft(er) Brexit, are still trying to be "reasonable" but have different visions of what is "reasonable", I think No Dealers have the advantage Sad

cherin · 27/08/2019 09:42

On the trump topic, what was his answer yesterday about brexit and the U.K.?? Is that the least presidential and political answer of all times, or what?
(Quoting from memory)
“I love the U.K., the U.K. will have a great success, I own properties in the U.K., I have a place here and there and my golf resort there, really, I own a lot of properties in the U.K.”

The question was “how’s the chance of a trade deal going”

:-O

cherin · 27/08/2019 09:44

Hysterically, most of his places are in Scotland, right?? :-) not a large chance of staying in the U.K. post brexit

DGRossetti · 27/08/2019 09:55

Caption: Our new place in the world (can you spot us ?)

Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!
DarkAtEndOfUK · 27/08/2019 09:56

Sounds fairly political to me cherin. No answer to direct question and what could be viewed as a veiled reminder of power via wealth. A foreign head of state owns more here than most of its people can ever hope to manage, so UK should listen to him not us. One interpretation only.

DGRossetti · 27/08/2019 09:56

Meanwhile, "Viz" nail it ...

Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!
DGRossetti · 27/08/2019 09:59

Hysterically, most of his places are in Scotland, right?? :-) not a large chance of staying in the U.K. post brexit

Trump will happily back Scotlands push for independence. Why not ? Does anyone think he gives a shiny shit about Boris and his problems ?

If Nicola is as canny as I suspect, she's hopefully got that tucked away somewhere.

Frankiestein402 · 27/08/2019 10:17

We do not pay an eye watering amount of tax for the royal family. That is a lie - go check your facts.

I agree that Madge would be in a difficult position if asked to prorogue - but what would happen if Boris went to the palace and she simply wasn't available - washing hair etc.?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 27/08/2019 10:20

Jesus its a sorry state of affairs if were hoping the monarch bails us out of a parliamentary fuck up, we could probably harness the spinning of Oliver Cromwell in his grave as a green energy source, just sayin lol

prettybird · 27/08/2019 10:24

Republican congressman on Sky News saying that TTIP should be the starting point for trade deal negotiations with the UK.

Karma for those that voted Leave because of fears about the potential TTIP deal between the US and the UK - despite the fact that the EU had already said it wouldn't sign it (although the UK had said it was happy with it Hmm)Confused

Inniu · 27/08/2019 10:27

I wonder does Trump speak any Scots Gaelic? His mother was from the Outer Hebrides.

DGRossetti · 27/08/2019 10:34

We do not pay an eye watering amount of tax for the royal family. That is a lie - go check your facts.

(looks around)

We pay a small ransom for them to be housed and protected when they assume their mantle "constitutional monarch".

Best not talk about how they acquired the wealth they aren't getting from the taxpayer, since if you remove the crown, it's plain old theft and pillage. Here and abroad ...

DGRossetti · 27/08/2019 10:36

I wonder does Trump speak any Scots Gaelic?

I wonder if he speaks English.

jasjas1973 · 27/08/2019 10:51

We do not pay an eye watering amount of tax for the royal family. That is a lie - go check your facts

Per Royal head, we pay an eye watering amount, nothing else gets a subsidy like that paid to support the Royals.

The queen is not going to be washing her hair or shooting grouse, she will sign whatever is put in front of her, based on advice given and that advice comes from her Govt.

But like FPTP, the fascination with WW2 & 1966, the Royals will long continue.

DGRossetti · 27/08/2019 11:20

I think we can see exactly how Boris will "help" Cornwall, now.

universalcreditsuffer.com/2019/08/26/jobcentre-staff-to-assess-claimants-mental-health/

The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has come under fire after it announced a scheme whereby jobcentre sdtaff assess claimants mental health. The £100,000 scheme being rolled out in Cornwall will see claimants on Universal Credit assessed by the work coach to as “to avoid seeing their GP”.

(contd)