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Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!

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RedToothBrush · 23/08/2019 00:28

It's quite remarkable to watch the British press atm.

It's like it doesn't understand English. Well only if its English spoken by foreigners.

Merkel made the observation that the UK had spent two years looking at the Irish border but had failed to come up with a workable solution, and now Johnson has waltzed in and made statements about how the backstop must go, and only has 30 days in which this can be achieved.

The British press writes this up as Merkel giving the UK a deadline to come up with a new solution.

Which is nonsense. The UK have a deadline to save itself, from itself and that's 31st October. This is a self imposed deadline.

Meanwhile comes out with the Brexiteer smack down that he didn't think the UK wS leaving the EU to regain its sovereignty only to become a vassalage or junior partner to the US.

Both these ideas being the result of leaving the EU have long been key issues. From before the ref. Both have been the UK's to solve in order to get the terms the UK wants from a deal.

The referendum was about choosing to align with the EU or to ditch that and rights and align closely with the US. Then Trump happened and the sell on this got harder, but still essentially the same. And it continues.

And then there was the Irish border. The magic solution to Brexit that doesn't break the GFA. I personally think there isn't one as long as the DUP have their red lines about the Irish sea.

So here we are. More than 3 years after the ref.

Leavers still have no plan. Apart for charge headlong over the cliff. Remains still have their heads wedged up their own backsides and also, after spending months criticising every one else on social media anyway who makes a stand again this bull shit.

Yet the newspapers fail to report what Merkel said or why the UK has this issue in the first place. Its an ongoing exercise in national delusion and self denial.

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ARoomWithoutADoor · 27/08/2019 11:27

'decorative fire extinguishers' is brilliant, DGR

envisions M&S type voiceover, 'not just decorative fire extinguishers' but Royal decorative fire extinguishers...

Frankiestein402 · 27/08/2019 11:27

We pay a small ransom for them to be housed and protected when they assume their mantle "constitutional monarch".

”we” do not. People pay rent on crown estate land. That goes to HMG who currently pass 25% back to Madge. fullfact.org/economy/frogmore-cottage/

Complaining about cost of upkeep of buck house etc is weird - are these places supposed to be left to rot? Even Caicescu's palace is maintained as a tourist attraction - is there any chance Madge would be permitted to live in a Birmingham semi?

Arguing about the anachronism of the monarchy as an institution is understandable - suggesting it's an eye watering tax cost is not - even more so when there is no quantifiable measure of the money the institution brings in from tourism - a large non-zero figure at least?

Cost of protection? 40 years after Mountbatten. What options do we have?

Talk about how 'the crown' and now HMG got the estates? - sure, pillage was what our ancestors did, as did the Vikings, Romans, Dutch, French, Italians - I'm not sure you can find any tribe that didn't pillage - it's what we did before diplomacy changed the cost/benefits of war.

Perhaps HMG should parcel up the land and hand it back, to who? That ain't going to happen whilst HMG are receiving money from them, they're more likely to sell off to some private Corp for a decent backhander.

Anyway this is a diversion.

lonelyplanetmum · 27/08/2019 11:32

The very fact that BlowJob is ..refusing to rule out proroguing Parliament

Look the government have even got as far as taking legal advice about suspending parliament.

Yougov are doing surveys to gauge the people's response to suspending parliament. We are talking about our country actually seriously considering suspending democracy to force through a policy that millions oppose. About half the population are ok with this method - really ??

This.is.Insane.

I did a little research. Look at other examples of countries suspending parliament. Is this really the historical company we want to keep?

•1848 New Zealand

London suspended Parliament then put power in the hands of the small settler population to overcome the much larger Māori population.

•1931 Franco’s Spain.Parliament suspended after Civil war.

•1933 Germany
Hitler had the two-thirds majority support in parliament to suspend the Constitution and issue new laws without Parliament.
Hitler made the Nazis the only legal political organisation in the country
. Other parties were banned or dissolved themselves.On 2 May 1933 trade unions were abolished and their leaders arrested.

•1940-1944 Romania WW2

•1948 China Taiwan Communist rebellion

•1966 Central African Republic ~ President Declared himself a monarch

1972 Philippines~Marcos claimed that a supposed Communist takeover of the government compelled him to suspend parliament and impose martial law.

•1973 Chile

•2002 Venezuela coup attempt

•2019 Sudan coup d’ etat

DGRossetti · 27/08/2019 11:33

Perhaps HMG should parcel up the land and hand it back, to who? That ain't going to happen whilst HMG are receiving money from them, they're more likely to sell off to some private Corp for a decent backhander.

The fact that 1,000 years on, most land in England is still with the families it was gifted to by William the Bastard is not a diversion. It's arguably one of the things driving our current situation.

Noticed an interesting thread pop up in AIBU about dogs being banned from parks. Now, I am not a dog person by the slightest stretch of anyones imagination, and wouldn't necessarily go so far. However it's interesting that when it comes to dogs, minorities seem to be respected more than the 48% who voted to Remain.

jasjas1973 · 27/08/2019 11:33

Looks like BXP will fight almost every seat too, 500 to be chosen, assuming a autumn GE.

Lets hope DWP do a better job of assessment than Atos and Capita before them :(

JustAnotherPoster00 · 27/08/2019 11:39

Lets hope DWP do a better job of assessment than Atos and Capita before them

Those of us who are in the system have come to the conclusion that 'pilot svheme' means once the media fuss about it has died down we'll roll it out to other jobcentres as quickly as possible while trying not to draw to much attention to it

BigChocFrenzy · 27/08/2019 12:03

"our protection against extremists"

The issue is that some people think "extremists" means "carrying out legal policies that I hate"^

The more extreme Brexietrs hate the Queen for allowing the Uk to join the Common Market and lter pass the Lisbbon treaty fo the EU
Those on the left hate her for not stopping UC, benefit cuts, NHS cuts etc

That's just politics tbh and she'll never interfere in that
She'll never stop Brexit to save the economy, after 52% voted for some version of it and the country is split down the middle

"Extremists" under the British Constitution is only to prevent dictatorships - and no, that's not an elected Tory govt, even a hard right pitiless one.
It means dictatorships that would be recognised as such under international law, by neutral parties

Say a government using clearly illegal means to stay in power,
e.g. interning opposition figures, suspending elections without the agreement of the other main parties

or carrying out policies illegal under international law, e.g. gas chambers

BigChocFrenzy · 27/08/2019 12:06

The current govt is a collection of very unpleasant hard right shits, who are likely to shaft the poor and most vulnerable.

That does not remotely qualify as a dictatorship, especially since voters chose this shit

BigChocFrenzy · 27/08/2019 12:08

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DGRossetti · 27/08/2019 12:16

In the UK, the Home Office has already basically gone rogue, and no longer recognises the rule of law.

cherin · 27/08/2019 12:25

Slightly off topic, but when you take up British citizenship you’re given the choice between an oath or a pledge or an affirmation.
lifeintheuk.net/after-the-test/your-citizenship-ceremony/
In two forms out of 3, you do affirm you allegiance to the house of Windsor (queen and all the heirs and successors), not explicitly the U.K. institutions like parliament

RedToothBrush · 27/08/2019 13:05

Norman Lamb (LDs) is standing down as an MP at the next election.

He's a very good MP. Got a lot of time for him. Being able to win the seat in 2017 despite it being a heavily leave area, really is a measure of his reputation.

It might be a hard seat for the party to defend as a result.

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tobee · 27/08/2019 13:05

Who was who was commenting that Farage was quiet upthread?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49482032

orangeshoebox · 27/08/2019 13:24

No-deal Brexit could see Greenwich Council staff at petrol stations

853london.com/2019/08/27/no-deal-brexit-could-see-greenwich-council-staff-at-petrol-stations/

great idea to 'police' rationing with parking wardens...

TheMShip · 27/08/2019 13:50

From the Guardian just now:

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has agreed to work with oppositions leaders to prioritise opposing a no-deal Brexit using legislation, with a no-confidence vote in the government reserved as a last resort.

The leaders of the Labour Party, the SNP, the Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru, the Green Party and the Independent Group for Change have all agreed to meet again to discuss how to stop the UK crashing out of the European Union on October 31.

Boris Johnson and European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker will speak on the phone on Tuesday afternoon to touch base after the G7. The call follows a conversation between the Dutch leader Mark Rutte and the prime minister in which he said the EU27 remained open to new proposals from the UK government.

Nigel Farage has said the Brexit party may be prepared to work with the Conservatives through a “non-aggression pact” if the only way of achieving a “clean-break” Brexit was a general election at a pre-election rally.

ARoomWithoutADoor · 27/08/2019 13:51

Lets hope the DWP do a better job of assessments than ATOS and Capita before them

Oh, crap - I've not seen the news lately- is there fresh horrors re DWP??

my ds, aged 14, finally received his Autism dx last year.
I 'put off' applying for DLA/possible carers allowance as I didnt want to 'live off him' but tried to work myself (I am also disabled and a single parent - now, after leaving a bad marriage - with a 2nd child too)
The job I tried turned out to be upstairs (no lift). I am on double crutches. I eventually became so ill the GP signed me off. Its been hell getting back onto benefits, even tho' Ds was awarded DLA at a level which triggers Carers allowance.
When my dd was also diagnosed earlier this summer i applied for DLA the same day. She was just given it (at an even higher rate than ds).
But only for 2 years. I called to ask why and was told 'she might grow out of it'. I explained that Autism is a lifelong neurodevelopmental condition and she cant grow out of it', and her sibling was awarded his DLA until he has to reapply for PIP (age 17).
The DWP person said they were happy to reassess both cases, in which case both benefits could stop completely, and then so would my carers allowance. Who was getting Carers for me (no-one) and how was I able to manage looking after them? (I do but can't work too)

I am sure Boris & co would rather we were euthanised as we are 'not productive economic units'. Is this 'it' or is it 'just' the pension at 75?

DGRossetti · 27/08/2019 13:54

Nigel Farage has said the Brexit party may be prepared to work with the Conservatives through a “non-aggression pact”

Fans of Stalin and Hitler will be thrilled ...

BigChocFrenzy · 27/08/2019 14:04

ARoomWithoutADoor SadThanks
Lives depending on utter fools

BigChocFrenzy · 27/08/2019 14:07

Whenever one might in exasperation think "fuck it, let them gave their No Deal good & hard"
think again of the vulnerable, even some here on Westministenders

They've no financial fat to live off until the country sees sense

BigChocFrenzy · 27/08/2019 14:08

gave have

QueenOfThorns · 27/08/2019 14:09

She'll never stop Brexit to save the economy, after 52% voted for some version of it and the country is split down the middle

I’m not suggesting that the Queen would step in to stop Brexit. She really really shouldn’t do that. I’m suggesting that she might refuse to allow the PM to prorogue Parliament to prevent it from stopping him doing something. The PM has to assure the Queen that he can command a majority in Parliament. If he goes to her and tells her that he needs Parliament to be shut down because there could be a majority against what he wants to do, doesn’t she have a duty to ask some pretty hard questions, at the very least?

ARoomWithoutADoor · 27/08/2019 14:12

Ach. sorry for self pity party Blush

DGRossetti · 27/08/2019 14:13

Is this 'it' or is it 'just' the pension at 75?

That's decades off - so I wouldn't rely on it either.

Anyone ever read "The Lotus Eaters" ? It was on the Eng. Lit O-level syllabus when I took it. #justsayin' ....

prettybird · 27/08/2019 14:20

Whenever one might in exasperation think "fuck it, let them have their No Deal good & hard" think again of the vulnerable, even some here on Westministenders BigChocFrenzy

...that's what I'm constantly having to remind myself.

tobee · 27/08/2019 14:21

Ditto