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Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!

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RedToothBrush · 23/08/2019 00:28

It's quite remarkable to watch the British press atm.

It's like it doesn't understand English. Well only if its English spoken by foreigners.

Merkel made the observation that the UK had spent two years looking at the Irish border but had failed to come up with a workable solution, and now Johnson has waltzed in and made statements about how the backstop must go, and only has 30 days in which this can be achieved.

The British press writes this up as Merkel giving the UK a deadline to come up with a new solution.

Which is nonsense. The UK have a deadline to save itself, from itself and that's 31st October. This is a self imposed deadline.

Meanwhile comes out with the Brexiteer smack down that he didn't think the UK wS leaving the EU to regain its sovereignty only to become a vassalage or junior partner to the US.

Both these ideas being the result of leaving the EU have long been key issues. From before the ref. Both have been the UK's to solve in order to get the terms the UK wants from a deal.

The referendum was about choosing to align with the EU or to ditch that and rights and align closely with the US. Then Trump happened and the sell on this got harder, but still essentially the same. And it continues.

And then there was the Irish border. The magic solution to Brexit that doesn't break the GFA. I personally think there isn't one as long as the DUP have their red lines about the Irish sea.

So here we are. More than 3 years after the ref.

Leavers still have no plan. Apart for charge headlong over the cliff. Remains still have their heads wedged up their own backsides and also, after spending months criticising every one else on social media anyway who makes a stand again this bull shit.

Yet the newspapers fail to report what Merkel said or why the UK has this issue in the first place. Its an ongoing exercise in national delusion and self denial.

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jasjas1973 · 26/08/2019 19:35

To many people JC is a joke figure, anti british, a terrorist sympathiser, a marxist and a communist, all bollox but that is his image.

Cons voting to put him in power and can kiss goodbye to ever being re-elected.

Outsomnia · 26/08/2019 19:36

Whatever happens re Brexit, there really has to be a fight back against the FPTP election system.

But I suppose Turkeys will not vote for Christmas either.

All this talk about democracy is sticking in my craw now. But then again, it is a similar election system to the US. Who knew?

Totally unrepresentative. And it might make some wake up out of their Safe Seat slumber.

But it won't happen, will it?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 26/08/2019 19:37

Cons voting to put him in power and can kiss goodbye to ever being re-elected

He wont exactly be in power though, and why not write a cross party agreement as to whats expected of the GNU, to do nothing but negotiate an extension and then start the GE ball rolling

JustAnotherPoster00 · 26/08/2019 19:39

Totally unrepresentative. And it might make some wake up out of their Safe Seat slumber.

Thats why I agree in Labours Mandotory Re-selection process, strangely it seems to be those in safe seats who no longer represent their constituents who are opposed to this, weird that Hmm

GhostofFrankGrimes · 26/08/2019 19:45

At this point I don't think remainer Tories get to call the shots in terms of alliances, their party caused this mess. Nor do the Lib Dems with a handful of MP's.

What I am learning from this debacle is that centrist remainers are guilty of swallowing the same sort of tabloid guff as leavers when they say Corbyn is unelectable, hard left etc. If Brexit was not on the agenda centrists would be fighting against social democratic values with the same vigour as Tories, thus ensuring many more years of austerity. The people who voted leave because they were desperate for change would be sacrified on the altar of petite bourgeoisie indulgence.

SwedishEdith · 26/08/2019 19:47

Dominic Cummings reminds me of Yanis Varoufakis – he could face the same fate

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/26/dominic-cummings-yanis-varoufakis-2015-crisis?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet#comment-132350367

Peregrina · 26/08/2019 19:55

I went to Lidice in then Czechoslovakia in the early 1980s (where there was a massacre.)

According to the film we were shown, the Russians won the war single handedly. Grin

Peregrina · 26/08/2019 19:58

The massacre was during the war years, I should have said.

woman19 · 26/08/2019 20:01

Interesting article that, Swedish Varoufakis led the communist KKE in the last elections; gained no seats and helped split the Syriza vote and let the right wing New Democracy party in. At least Greek socialists were intelligent enough to see through his grexit rubbish in 2015.

jasjas1973 · 26/08/2019 20:01

Corbyn could do well in a GE (he already has) BUT thats not what we are talking about, we need to get Con MPs to vote him in to no10 and like it or not, that aint never going to happen.

If he doesn't step aside, the next GE will be when we are outside of the EU.

Yaralie · 26/08/2019 20:22

I would support anyone, even Corbyn, who guaranteed to Revoke Article 50 which is what the majority of UK voters have wanted for the last two and a half years.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 26/08/2019 20:25

Revoke Article 50 which is what the majority of UK voters have wanted for the last two and a half years.

I dont think thats true

GhostofFrankGrimes · 26/08/2019 20:26

we need to get Con MPs to vote him in to no10 and like it or not, that aint never going to happen.

That's the Tories problem. They shouldn't be calling the shots their party caused this mess.

Hazardtired · 26/08/2019 20:31

I think majority of people want brexit over with and are sick of it...that's kinda a majority for revoke.

ContinuityError · 26/08/2019 20:31

DGR bummer that you passed on the ESA gig. I remember visiting our (for real) rocket scientist mate at Noordwijk and marvelling at the incredibly cheap beer on site.

Violetparis · 26/08/2019 20:32

I don't understand why some remainers who have been calling for another referendum for years are desperate to have Ken Clarke as a temporary PM when all he has suggested is still leaving but with a softer brexit.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 26/08/2019 20:37

Are parliament due to sit on Saturday 7th september? services.parliament.uk/Calendar/future.html

Outsomnia · 26/08/2019 20:47

Just need a PM who has gravitas, and vision and cojones to see off the opposition .

The opposition is within the Tory Party though AFAIS.

PM is in thrall of the ERG. That is so easy to see, why do they have such power, could someone tell me?

Why is the ERG in charge here? That is abominable when you look at some of their reps. How the heck are they allowed to run the show could anyone please tell me?

I really do not understand a party within a party. But they seem to be all talk and no action anyway.

We will never know about the behind the scenes shenanigans going on here. But who are we? Just citizens who want the best outcomes for ourselves and our families. But we will be shafted.

Someone somewhere is puppeteering here. I for one am totally sick of it.

flouncyfanny · 26/08/2019 21:10

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 26/08/2019 21:18

That's what I thought Flouncy but this is confusing me:

Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!
DGRossetti · 26/08/2019 21:22

Boris now saying it's job of all MPs to "deliver Brexit" ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49473497

BigChocFrenzy · 26/08/2019 21:29

"Cons voting to put him in power and can kiss goodbye to ever being re-elected"

Any Tory MP who votes NC and brings down their own govt would be expelled from the party
Few / none of them could expected to be re-elected if they stood for another party

Regardless of whom they vote for later, even Ken Clarke, their careers are finished
which is why I'm puzzled they are so adamantly against choosing Corbyn for an interim PM

He would be totally dependent on the extra votes from Tory rebels, LDems, SNP, Plaid
so he couldn't do whatever horrors some people claim to fear from him
The fear in those circumstances is irrational

Carpediem1 · 26/08/2019 21:32

Watching original Bladerunner, dystopian future: constant night, endless rain. Had forgotten it is set in November 2019. Hoping not a premonition of life after a no deal Brexit...

PostNotInHaste · 26/08/2019 21:32

Johnson is shortly coming to the end of the summer where he has been able to pave the way for whatever he is planning to deal, which feels like No Deal but he is Johnson is could be something else,

What have we had since he got in, I can’t totally remember is:

Purged cabinet of Remainers and Hunt supporters
Said no talks with EU until they dropped the Backstop
Went to talk to Merkel and Macron
Said chance of Deal a million to one
Tells MPs they do not decide No Deal, implicating he dies I tgiphink?
Says he is slightly hopeful if a deal
Tells MPs it is their jobs to deliver Brexit,

Is that right or have I missed things and mixed stuff up? I’m not sure what good it dies exactly knowing this but they say know your enemy.

PostNotInHaste · 26/08/2019 21:34

DHnis speculating that we might have a ‘Boris stop’