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Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!

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RedToothBrush · 23/08/2019 00:28

It's quite remarkable to watch the British press atm.

It's like it doesn't understand English. Well only if its English spoken by foreigners.

Merkel made the observation that the UK had spent two years looking at the Irish border but had failed to come up with a workable solution, and now Johnson has waltzed in and made statements about how the backstop must go, and only has 30 days in which this can be achieved.

The British press writes this up as Merkel giving the UK a deadline to come up with a new solution.

Which is nonsense. The UK have a deadline to save itself, from itself and that's 31st October. This is a self imposed deadline.

Meanwhile comes out with the Brexiteer smack down that he didn't think the UK wS leaving the EU to regain its sovereignty only to become a vassalage or junior partner to the US.

Both these ideas being the result of leaving the EU have long been key issues. From before the ref. Both have been the UK's to solve in order to get the terms the UK wants from a deal.

The referendum was about choosing to align with the EU or to ditch that and rights and align closely with the US. Then Trump happened and the sell on this got harder, but still essentially the same. And it continues.

And then there was the Irish border. The magic solution to Brexit that doesn't break the GFA. I personally think there isn't one as long as the DUP have their red lines about the Irish sea.

So here we are. More than 3 years after the ref.

Leavers still have no plan. Apart for charge headlong over the cliff. Remains still have their heads wedged up their own backsides and also, after spending months criticising every one else on social media anyway who makes a stand again this bull shit.

Yet the newspapers fail to report what Merkel said or why the UK has this issue in the first place. Its an ongoing exercise in national delusion and self denial.

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DGRossetti · 26/08/2019 15:42

I must admit that forming an alternative state seems tempting.

Maybe situated in Oxford ?

BigChocFrenzy · 26/08/2019 15:45

Looks like the reason business is keeping quiet about Brexit is that many are planning to move out

After the 425 UK businesses discussing with the Netherlands govt development agency about moving there (posted upthread)
news from Germany:

The North-Rhine-Westfalia IHK (chamber of commerce) just announced they have assisted 200 UK SMEs to move there since the ref.

N-R-W is the largest of the 16 "Bundesländer" (federal states) in Germany, but presumably 100s more UK firms have moved to the other 15 states

DGRossetti · 26/08/2019 15:49

The North-Rhine-Westfalia IHK (chamber of commerce) just announced they have assisted 200 UK SMEs to move there

I guess Henning didn't know bestest then, and Westfalia is an option Hmm

Still curious about how the people are going to be transferred ?

DGRossetti · 26/08/2019 15:57

From the ever readable

www.facebook.com/scientistsforeu/

I think Melania is in love with #RevokeArticle50

Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!
cherin · 26/08/2019 15:58

DRG I never thought you would consider moving to Italy! I can tell you’re smarter than that ;-)

large chunks of London and the SE companies are made of EU nationals who probably have quite an appetite to move right now, so it might not be that difficult to move them, even if the procedure for U.K. nationals might take time to be clarified (but then...I honestly don’t think the Eu would make such a fuss if it’s a visa-style process done by a company. They might fear the application family-by-family with the risk of having to fund Healthcare/school with no tax paid in. But a company usually also offers private health insurance...)

BigChocFrenzy · 26/08/2019 16:00

DG Quite simple in a "normal" European country.
The people they want to take and who want to go with them would have no problems:

It's quite routine for German firms to get a 5-year work visa for a non-EU employee, which the employee themself then extends every 5 years

My employer, like many others has done this for employees from India, China, SKorea ....

There aren't enough EU workers, especially in certain skilled / professional fields

BigChocFrenzy · 26/08/2019 16:06

No problems with officialdom, that is

Of course, many people can't emigrate even for a few years, because of kids in secondary school, or other family commitments

and maybe of the over 45s, only key employees would be invited, because they'd be too old to join the state health insurance scheme or the standard company scheme
Or they'd have to sort private insurance themselves

DoctorTwo · 26/08/2019 16:08

Rory Stewart is Frodo, obv.

In Roger's Profanisaurus a Frodo is annoying little turd, so that fits.

DGRossetti · 26/08/2019 16:08

So we could be seeing an exodus of UK nationals to the EU, who will need to be replaced by non-EU nationals ? No wonder India, China and Pakistan are so chirpy.

Given the size of the UK, there must exist a microcosm where a workplace of mainly Leave voters has already seen some "nice white" colleagues leave, and some visa-busting replacements from the aforementioned countries. It would defy the laws of odd that such a place could not exist.

(adopts a tone of Stewart Lee) ... you know sometimes, when you've been dong a routine again and again for a long time, you have to put in something for yourself Grin

DW and I keep encouraging DS to broaden horizons - anything to avoid my regret at not taking up a job with the ESA in Darmstadt in 1988.

DGRossetti · 26/08/2019 16:13

and maybe of the over 45s, only key employees would be invited, because they'd be too old to join the state health insurance scheme or the standard company scheme Or they'd have to sort private insurance themselves

Oh, DW and I know exactly which side our bread is buttered. Who wants a 40-something secondary progressive MS sufferer anywhere near their bottom line scheme ? It's one reason why we reckon we are globally blessed - there isn't another location on Earth that could tick all the boxes we need. Something we realise regularly when we spend 10 minutes popping for a consult some people have to travel 200 miles for. It's why I have a very clear idea that missed appointments should be charged for.

(Of course DW is relying on an internal pump that needs meds and support via trade deals done through the EU. Still, at least we are reassured by Boris. Imagine if we didn't believe him ?)

BigChocFrenzy · 26/08/2019 16:16

"anything to avoid my regret at not taking up a job with the ESA in Darmstadt in 1988."

Ouch. That was an amazing opportunity

DGRossetti · 26/08/2019 16:25

Ouch. That was an amazing opportunity

Tell me about it. Company called "Marcol", based in Thame, UK, and Darmstadt. They picked up my details via an agency I had registered with prior to taking my finals. I got a call in digs, and was invited to offices in London (I still have the Guitar magazine I bought to read on the train). I had pre-warned them I hadn't got a suit, but the guy I spoke to (who isn't on LinkedIn, to not much surprise) said they'd rather see me ASAP (before we went interrailing). It was a storming interview, and I was offered the job on the spot. At the time I was also in receipt of an offer from BT, so was given a few weeks to ponder, and in the meantime invited to the offices in Thame which had a link up to the ESA. It was made crystal clear that the job involved travel - not only to Darmstadt, but the US as there were ESA/NASA projects that were taking off Grin.

Oh well, but for what, might have been. DS is at an age where he just doesn't yet get it. I hope he does before it's too late.

Now I've got something in my eye. Self pity is such an indulgence.

DGRossetti · 26/08/2019 16:37

... and just in case any of you weren't angry enough ...

Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!
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Hoooo · 26/08/2019 16:40

66 days....

DGRossetti · 26/08/2019 16:47

Anyone watching Trump/G7 press conference?

No. What would the point be ?

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 26/08/2019 18:07

Jo Swinson plays party politics while accusing Corbyn of it Hmm

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49468218

jasjas1973 · 26/08/2019 18:13

Swinson is spot on, tories voting against their own govt is one thing, voting for a Corbyn premiership is a step too far, no matter the duration.

She isn't play politics, she is telling the truth.

Corbyn should step aside and allow Watson or similar to be the temp PM, anything else will mean the vnoc will fail.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 26/08/2019 18:16

Corbyn should step aside and allow Watson or similar to be the temp PM, anything else will mean the vnoc will fail.

Meatloaf remainers, membership wouldnt stand for Watson, electoral suicide for sure

JustAnotherPoster00 · 26/08/2019 18:19

I just dont understand some remainers for 3 years some of us have done nothing but complain that the 48% is being ignored but some remainers would be happy to ignore the 52% Corbyn is the only party leader thats offered a compromise for both camps, it really is going to be No Deal isnt it? ffs

JustAnotherPoster00 · 26/08/2019 18:21

Sorry to go on but all he would do as a caretaker PM is let Starmer negotiate an extension and then take the country to a GE where is the problem in that other than ooooooo scary bad man Corbyn