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Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!

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RedToothBrush · 23/08/2019 00:28

It's quite remarkable to watch the British press atm.

It's like it doesn't understand English. Well only if its English spoken by foreigners.

Merkel made the observation that the UK had spent two years looking at the Irish border but had failed to come up with a workable solution, and now Johnson has waltzed in and made statements about how the backstop must go, and only has 30 days in which this can be achieved.

The British press writes this up as Merkel giving the UK a deadline to come up with a new solution.

Which is nonsense. The UK have a deadline to save itself, from itself and that's 31st October. This is a self imposed deadline.

Meanwhile comes out with the Brexiteer smack down that he didn't think the UK wS leaving the EU to regain its sovereignty only to become a vassalage or junior partner to the US.

Both these ideas being the result of leaving the EU have long been key issues. From before the ref. Both have been the UK's to solve in order to get the terms the UK wants from a deal.

The referendum was about choosing to align with the EU or to ditch that and rights and align closely with the US. Then Trump happened and the sell on this got harder, but still essentially the same. And it continues.

And then there was the Irish border. The magic solution to Brexit that doesn't break the GFA. I personally think there isn't one as long as the DUP have their red lines about the Irish sea.

So here we are. More than 3 years after the ref.

Leavers still have no plan. Apart for charge headlong over the cliff. Remains still have their heads wedged up their own backsides and also, after spending months criticising every one else on social media anyway who makes a stand again this bull shit.

Yet the newspapers fail to report what Merkel said or why the UK has this issue in the first place. Its an ongoing exercise in national delusion and self denial.

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DGRossetti · 25/08/2019 16:46

When it comes to the past 2 years, Hammond is very much the dog that didn't bark in the night.

jasjas1973 · 25/08/2019 16:52

Yes, a lot of pro EU ministers have contributed to where we are now, by doing nothing when they had the chance to do so.

They put their careers first but Johnson sacked them in anycase.

Hoooo · 25/08/2019 16:54

Sorry but I really disagree
Knowledge is power
Yes it's scary
Yes it's shit
Yes it should never have happened
But pretending everything is ok will not help eithe

RedToothBrush · 25/08/2019 17:03

I'm not entirely convinced that extinction rebellion have thought much about how this little plan might be music to the ears of the current government.

They plan to 'shut down Westminster from 7th Oct'.

As much as climate is a huge issue, having awareness of politics in general and trying not to shoot yourself in the face, isn't a bad idea either...

Westminstenders: 30 days to save us all!
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woman19 · 25/08/2019 17:08

having awareness of politics in general
Merkel had suspicions about who was pulling some of their strings.

There are hundreds of well meaning grass roots ecology folks working on these issues, but some ER stuff is odd.

It's not as bad as having RT and sputnik getting a free pass in Scotland for the last 5 years or so, but may well be linked.

Tricky times.

I'm technically a Middler
#middlemum That'll do me. Smile
I love Bette Midler; and the remainy middle will do nicely than you.

woman19 · 25/08/2019 17:09

'nicely thank you' what's wrong with mn spellcheck these days? Confused

BigChocFrenzy · 25/08/2019 17:15

BJ possible majority under FPTP = 31% No Dealers + Tory Remainers terrified of Corbyn + Labour anti-Corbyn

Only works if GE is soon after No Deal, imo, so Farage neutered but before No Deal effects become noticeable to most of the public

NoWordForFluffy · 25/08/2019 17:19

Spellcheck is on your phone, not MN. My iPhone often screws me over.

Hazardtired · 25/08/2019 17:22

ER can fuck off. Why cant they find an MP who has land or a large garden, there's bound to be a few, and plant trees illegally? Minimal disruption to normal people, mildly humorous to come home to, gets the point across to MPs nonviolently and whaayhey more trees.

Songsofexperience · 25/08/2019 17:40

Yes, that plan is fucking idiotic

Dongdingdong · 25/08/2019 17:40

That means that we do have 69% of the population who want us closely aligned to the EU for trade.

@RedToothBrush And it also means that 59% of the population want to leave, with either a deal or no deal. That’s 7% MORE people in favour of leaving than in 2016 - not exactly heartening is it?

Songsofexperience · 25/08/2019 17:42

Brexit with a deal is stupid but at least it's not suicidal.

RedToothBrush · 25/08/2019 17:44

@RedToothBrush And it also means that 59% of the population want to leave, with either a deal or no deal. That’s 7% MORE people in favour of leaving than in 2016 - not exactly heartening is it?

I think there's two things in there.

I'm technically a Middler. However if I was asked in a ref again whether to leave or remain I'd vote remain.

So your point is a bit of a fallacy.

But it should also be something that 2nd referendumers shouldn't be dismissive of (and why I'm like warm at best about a 2nd ref)

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MysteryTripAgain · 25/08/2019 18:11

Brexit with a deal is stupid but at least it's not suicidal

What would be suicidal

bellinisurge · 25/08/2019 18:14

No Deal. And you know this because you have had it explained to you many times. I wonder why you are pretending not to understand.

flouncyfanny · 25/08/2019 18:20

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NoWordForFluffy · 25/08/2019 18:29

It's disingenuous questioning, @bellinisurge.

flouncyfanny · 25/08/2019 18:31

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BigChocFrenzy · 25/08/2019 18:36

"What would be suicidal?"

No Deal Brexit led by this narcissistic sociopath PM and his government of spivs, fanatics and nihilists

They've no senses to regain after No Deal,
so they'll ride down their Brexit like Dr Strangelove astride that nuke

NoWordForFluffy · 25/08/2019 18:37

I'd say that most reasonable, sane, people would take a deal over no deal, even if their preference is actually remain. Actually facilitating no deal because nothing other than remain will do is ludicrous. In my humble opinion, anyway. And some MPs are apparently going to fuck us over because they're failing to be pragmatic.

Peregrina · 25/08/2019 18:53

Is it normal for MPs to write letters addressed to Dear Prime Mininster? Or would it normally be Dear Theresa, Dear Boris?

Hammond's letter made it pretty clear what he thought of Johnson.

woman19 · 25/08/2019 19:12

Replace 'trump presidency' with 'brexit'.>

@DanRather
Whatever happens, don’t let anyone get away with saying the chaos, ineptitude, cruelty, and corruption of the Trump presidency were unknowable. All of it was entirely predictable, and indeed predicted by many.

Hoooo · 25/08/2019 19:50

My fear, once Trump is too far gone with his FLD, is who will replace him on the ticket in 2020 now the GOP have gone full on, unapologetic white supremacist.

Pence will stand but won't win. Wouldn't surprise me if Nikki Halley took a punt.

The GOP and Trump's family are complicit in keeping a very sick man in the WH.

His mental and physical decline are clear to see.

You know that military strike on Iran? That Trump cancelled?
Maybe his General's refused to take orders from a POTUS who is now neurologically impaired?

His deranged tirades would be funny if he didnt have the nuclear codes.

MaxNormal · 25/08/2019 20:19

Nikki Halley is a vile piece of work. But unfortunately i agree with you. The shoe isn't being run by Trump, or Johnson. There's a bigger agenda at work here.

jasjas1973 · 25/08/2019 20:42

I'd say that most reasonable, sane, people would take a deal over no deal, even if their preference is actually remain. Actually facilitating no deal because nothing other than remain will do is ludicrous

Then we might as well have accepted Mays WD last year.

As far as i 'm concerned, a brexit deal is brexit and we have given in to the far right, a very dangerous precedent, they will not stop at the EU.
ECHR, UN, even NATO.

A so called deal is just an extension of what we've got now, giving the ERG/Farage time to really fuck over our relationship with the EU, as they will get a significant number of MPs in a deal scenario. farage will paint that as a failure.
May as well get it over with now, after all we have voted for it and as TM said "the UK has voted for pain"

Its great pity he survived that plane crash.