Any more Leave supporters on MN?

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I've not been on here for a while.

I'm seeing only anti Brexit threads on here.

Any Leave voters out there?

What do we have to look forward to when we Brexit?

@MysteryTripAgain - I don't give a shit about the DUP. And neither does Johnson as people in NI will find out. They supported Leave in the referendum and NI went for Remain. This is the only way they get their unicorn because they can fuck off with their dream of destroying GFA.

I haven't bothered to read the rest of the thread though as the title is so clearly misleading. Pity. If it had not been so duplicitous, we might have seen a useful^^ and sensible exchange of views

Comments like this are beyond ridiculous.

It matters not one iota that the thread wasn’t started by a Leaver.

The problem is Leavers have no content for a ‘useful and sensible exchange of views’, instead preferring to make excuses for this fact.

Bear - she/he is just trolling, senior civil servant my arse!

Amusing if things weren't so serious summary of leavist changes of tack. Posted by a clever MNetter on another thread...

Brexiteers just keep adding layers of often mutually contradictory narratives as events have unfolded. We could call it the “Six+ Impossible Things before Brexit” fairytale.

1. We know exactly what we voted for - It’s going to be super-easily achieved marvellous Sunlit Uplands with no downsides because They Need Us More Than We Need Them (BMWs/prosecco) and Don’t They Know Who We Are and we all just have to BeLeave to make it happen, and the EU is going to collapse when they see how we flourish effortlessly in glorious isolation.
2. We know exactly what we voted for - It would have been (1) if it wasn’t for the PunishmentBullying of the EU and the negative NotBeLeaving Project Fear Sabotage of the Traitorous Remoaners with foreign taint.
3. We know exactly what we voted for - We never said it was going to be easy but we’ll get to the Sunlit Uplands eventually and then it will be marvellous “short term pain for long term gain”.
4. We know exactly what we voted for - We always knew it would be hard and might be hard forever, but we voted to be poorer and for food rationing and medical shortages, hardship is worth it because Sovereignty and SomethingBlitzSpirit.
5. We know exactly what we voted for - But any reports of negative events are Fake News, because despite (3) and (4) nothing negative could happen because of Brexit (see 1); therefore even talking about preparing for food/medicine shortages is hysterical scaremongering treason by Traitorous Remoaners and no True Patriot would save even a grain of rice.
6. We know exactly what we voted for - Pretend we didn’t say (1) and (5) - As we’ve said all along, preparing for food/medicine shortages is what any sensible True Patriot would do because stockpiling is Comforting, and will show the BullyingEU Who We Are and they won’t notice that They Don’t Need Us More Than We Need Them.

I cannot believe that folk who voted leave three years ago thinking we would get a good deal now support a no deal brexit.

If you are one of these folk, can you please explain the difference between deal and no deal? I'd be very surprised if you could and still support no deal.

Very interested to hear how many leavers felt passionately about this prior to 2016? Something you discussed a lot with your peers?

Very interested to hear how many leavers felt passionately about this prior to 2016? Something you discussed a lot with your peers

To add to carpediem's great list

@sturdyAlex
A summary of so many exchanges with a Brexiter.

• I don’t believe it. You made that up.
• Here’s the source.
• Then they made it up.
• Really?
• I used to work for them and I made things up all the time.
• You did?
• No. I just made that up.

@woman19

Sad but true. That was Ruth Lea. I saw the interview. I thought I was dreaming.

But on the other hand it was Ruth Lea so somewhat expected.

Indeed: vast majority of her fellow economists believe she’s barking.

I voted Remain, although I freely admit to not having a clue as to why.
I think it's probably best that we do leave now, as there seems to be lots of bad feeling between us and the rest of the EU.

DH voted to Leave. He would be happy with no deal.

DH voted to Leave. He would be happy with no deal.

Can you tell us why he is happy? DH has become a Lexiter, even though he says he voted Remain, but even he seems worried about the potential implications of no deal.

He said he's concerned about the unsustainable debt levels in Italy and feels that if we stayed in we'd have to contribute to any bailout. Also that the Euro could end up collapsing?
He also resents Labour not having the Ref originally promised on the Lisbon Treaty.

He's going on now, wish I hadn't asked him

@BunchMunch

Ask him: What does the euro have to do with the EU? There are 28 members of the EU and 19 in the euro?

Different constructs.

Also the UK did not take part in supporting GREECE why should the U.K. support Italy?

My DH's reason for now being a Lexiter is 'what about what they did to Greece'? Well we had a part in that decision I told him, so what about what We did?

www.google.ie/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwirur6pppLkAhVbTBUIHaXsCjEQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Feconomy%2Fthe-backstop-was-a-british-proposal-not-one-tabled-by-ireland-or-the-eu-1.3761566&psig=AOvVaw2bPGlpaGkhb6bVwiaX3uLW&ust=1566419720806529

^The “backstop” provision of the draft agreement which was rejected by the UK parliament this week was always a political measure designed to protect the interests of the British and Irish citizens of Northern Ireland.

It was a UK proposal, not one tabled by Ireland or the EU, and reflected a belated recognition that Northern Ireland remains part of the UK, and that the welfare of its citizens should be a concern for the UK government. It was not in any way designed to protect the Irish economy.^

Well we had a part in that decision I told him, so what about what We did
Good point. And nevertheless: Greece has steadfastly stood by its decision to stay in the EU. Under the previous socialist administration with Tsipris and now under a right wing conservative government.

It's difficult to travel more than 50 miles across the mainland or the islands without passing a splendid new road/ bridge/public service/ nature reserve which has not been funded with EU funding in Greece.

The people grumble as much about the domestic administration or even more about them than they do about the EU in Greece.

Greeks know too well how foreign powers can seek to hi jack a country to look on the brexit with anything but pity.

It was a UK proposal, not one tabled by Ireland or the EU, and reflected a belated recognition that Northern Ireland remains part of the UK, and that the welfare of its citizens should be a concern for the UK government. It was not in any way designed to protect the Irish economy.

I wish Donald Tusk had seen fit to publicly remind Boris Johnson of this fact and that he was part of May's Government when it was agreed.

Greeks know too well how foreign powers can seek to hi jack a country to look on the brexit with anything but pity.

It's only 45 years since the Greeks got rid of the Military regime which was the Colonels. Perhaps countries which know what it's like to lose Democracy treasure it more when they regain it?

In 2016 Stuart Rose the head of the Remain campaign caused a stir by saying wages would rise after Brexit.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35707955/lord-rose-eu-exit-may-mean-wage-rises

Turns out he was right. They have risen steadily since the Leave vote. I would say that is a benefit of Brexit.

We need a bit more information on wage rises. If it's people at the bottom of the heap getting decent rises then fine. If it's just Company directors paying themselves silly salaries, thus pushing up the average, then nothing to write home about.

What happened to ‘the easiest deal in history’? Brexit is a failed project - they’ve had three years and they haven’t come up with a deal that’s palatable. No deal will shaft the economy and the pound and make life harder for the majority of Brits. And don’t get me started on removing FOM. I will never forgive that - puts the 3million EU nationals here in Britain in a precarious position and simultaneously strips all Brits of our rights to live, work and study in countries within our own continent with ease. But wait ... blue passports and no more tampon tax ... but I have a mooncup so no benefit there for me! Key question: What do we gain from Brexit that we didn’t already have?

leaving the EU is, and always was, a very stupid idea.
The fact that everyone who voted to leave was totally lied to, everything they were promised has not happened, they still haven’t the balls to admit they were wrong, nobody likes being fooled.
The vaguely amusing part is that the people who voted to leave are the ones who will suffer most.
Good luck

There was a report by the Business sector.
It said all we can do is wait as we know nothing.
The pound is low, because no one knows what will happen.
Trade deals are on hold till we know which way this is heading .
Everytime the business sector get some firm news things seem to improve, until another person shouts , unfair that no got the win, we will take it too court.
Well when we finally do leave then things should stabilise according to banking, and the sixteen plans for every possible outcome can be disguarded and

Brexit is a failed project - they’ve had three years and they haven’t come up with a deal that’s palatable.

We need to question what the real project was. If it was for the ERG types to stage a right wing coup, reduce workers rights and destroy the NHS while making more money for themselves then it looks as though they are on course to success.

Did you read the Joke about the turkey voting for Christmas. TM was that turkey.