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Westminstenders: A photo opportunity

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RedToothBrush · 18/08/2019 21:05

Johnson likes publicity.

Any attention is good attention. Whilst you are talking about how crazy his idea is, the less you come up with your own.

And there it is. The lack of plan to stop no deal. Just a bunch of idiots who argue over who is more right about politics without offering up a practical solution.

Unable to see their own flaws.

And leading us ever closer to the cliff edge and operation Yellowhammer.

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Hoooo · 19/08/2019 19:01

Thanks all for the sympathy and advice.

Wrt my hrt; not getting it simply makes my life very unpleasant and means I would be possibly admitted to hospital with cardiac issues. I'll have to cope I guess.

Wrt my son's inhaler....it keeps him alive so....you know....quite keen to get it.

I'm also incredibly angry that this has happened. I knew it was possible and did start a stash BUT then both of our prescriptions were changed!!!

Just waiting for my mums heart meds to go out of stock now....awkward as they also keep her alive.

Leaver posters....please come amd tell me how no deal Brexit will be fine? Because tbh I'm scared now. I might even try and believe you.

Hoooo · 19/08/2019 19:02

Oh!
And I've even emailed the local GUM clinic to see if they will try and fit a coil...

Desperate doesn't even get close....

Hoooo · 19/08/2019 19:03

(Sorry the thread has gone slightly gynaecological!)

MockersthefeMANist · 19/08/2019 19:05

Meanwhile

John Oliver nails Bozza:

AutumnCrow · 19/08/2019 19:30

Local GUM clinics are the best place to go for a lot of medications, diagnoses and treatments you can't get elsewhere, tbh.

ListeningQuietly · 19/08/2019 19:57

Re impact of FOM on wages ....
A lack of cheap labour coming in from outside UK will push wages UP
to the point that automaton becomes economic or tasks are moved out of the UK.
There are not enough young fit unemployed in the UK to meet demand over the coming years.

woman19 · 19/08/2019 20:02

Is it comedy hour already?

flouncyfanny · 19/08/2019 20:32

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Hoooo · 19/08/2019 20:35

I got excited earlier...thought I'd found a stash of 100/6.

Nope.

200/6 - his current one.

Shit.

I guess if he gets bad he will havs to have double the steroid to get the bronchodilator.

Ffs.

FractalChaos · 19/08/2019 20:41

@Caucasianchalkcircles Can you explain the water thing, please?

Also, PMK with another fractal :)

Westminstenders: A photo opportunity
RedToothBrush · 19/08/2019 20:43

Sam Coates Sky @samcoatessky
^Boris Johnson writes to Donald Tusk

  • calls for abolition of the backstop again
  • says UK would accept legally binding commitment to no hard border and says hopes EU wd do same, which cd be tricky
  • calls to introduce alternative arrangements “before the end of the transition”^
Westminstenders: A photo opportunity
Westminstenders: A photo opportunity
Westminstenders: A photo opportunity
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RedToothBrush · 19/08/2019 20:44

Sam Coates Sky @samcoatessky
BUT this section is key. Boris Johnson is trying to offer alternative guarantees in case “alternative arrangements” aren’t ready by the time the transition ends
- What will these be? Could they ever be enough given they probably do not include single market and CU membership

Westminstenders: A photo opportunity
Westminstenders: A photo opportunity
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OhYouBadBadKitten · 19/08/2019 20:45

I like the fractal pmk!

I've had to creep up my medications too (or buy them) One that I couldn't get a couple of months before march, causing me much stress suddenly appeared at the pharmacy about 3 months later, which gave me a bit of a buffer. It's ridiculous. I would never have considered doing this before Brexit.

RedToothBrush · 19/08/2019 20:47

Sam Coates Sky @samcoatessky
This section is also important - it formally makes clear that Britain will diverge in environment and product and labour regulations from the EU

This section is also important - it formally makes clear that Britain will diverge in environment and product and labour regulations from the EU

Adam Fleming @adamfleming
I hate to be flippant but is the PM proposing a replacement to the backstop involving alternative arrangements, which if they don’t materialise in time will require... a backstop?

Westminstenders: A photo opportunity
Westminstenders: A photo opportunity
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RedToothBrush · 19/08/2019 20:51

Sam Coates Sky @samcoatessky
THE withdrawal ageeement is dead.

But “A” withdrawal agreement lives...

May had a customs union which wasn't the Custom Union.

Looks like Johnson is attempting a withdrawal agreement but not the Withdrawal Agreement and a backstop bit not the Backstop.

Plus a photo shoot.

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RedToothBrush · 19/08/2019 20:52

John Stevens @johnestevens
Boris Johnson and Donald Trump have spoken on the phone AGAIN... I make that the fourth time in four weeks

Probably flogging us to the US since Denmark told him to piss off with trying to buy Greenland.

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RedToothBrush · 19/08/2019 20:54

Nick Eardley @nickeardleybbc
Downing Street sources says letter makes clear backstop has to go - but PM is willing to consider alternative assurances

Also first time Downing Street has said it thinks backstop breaches Good Friday Agreement

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RedToothBrush · 19/08/2019 20:56

David Allen Green@davidallengreen
Given a No Deal Brexit means, on any view, medical shortages and delays...

...can someone supporting government policy please set out how many avoidable deaths are acceptable as the price of keeping the departure date of 31 October?

If the answer is zero, then please do say so

If the answer is not zero, please set out the justification for your acceptable amount of avoidable deaths just so the 31 October date can be kept?

A solemn question

Serious answers from government policy supporters please

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RedToothBrush · 19/08/2019 20:58

Nick Eardley @nickeardleybbc
Downing Source to Brussels:

"Let's see if they will be reasonable"

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woman19 · 19/08/2019 21:03

@SamCoatesSky
THE withdrawal ageeement is dead.

But “A” withdrawal agreement lives...

I bet that there will be sorry attempts at theatrics and pantomime conciliation round meetings in EU this week with the domestic abuser.

Concluding with what his bosses told him to do in the first place: drop his patriotic handbag and storm off.

'More in sorrow than in anger bolllox' will be how they will sell the confirmed crash out.

As his line manager has clearly been telling him during the 4 phone calls.

woman19 · 19/08/2019 21:04

@nickeardleybbc
Downing Source to Brussels:

"Let's see if they will be reasonable"

As I said: 'More in sorrow than in anger bolllox' will be how they will sell the confirmed crash out.

Terrible script this episode of the brexit.

RedToothBrush · 19/08/2019 21:07

Charlie Cooper @charliecooper8
What's new in Johnson's letter to Tusk (as far as I can tell)

1) pledge of unspecified new "commitments" to reassure EU on Irish border should "alternative arrangements" not be in place by end of post-Brexit transition period

2) commitment to legislation to enshrine no infrastructure / checks at the border

3) The idea of a return to the Northern Ireland-only backstop very much OFF the table, despite some recent speculation

^Will it be enough? Based on existing EU red lines, it does away with the backstop in its current form, so probably not. But EU response will be interesting to see.
Perhaps the key thing is the tone of the letter: reasonably conciliatory and constructive (albeit on its own terms)^

Of course he's being fucking reasonable in this. He's trying to make the EU look unreasonable.

Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn
Breaking: Boris Johnson begins his Breixt renegotiation with a letter to Donald Tusk. In short, the backstop must go, completely

PM proposes the backstop should be replaced with alternative arrangements in time for the end of the transition period. Here’s the new bit: he offers to look at new “commitments” if that doesn’t prove fully possible.

But, and a big but: those commitments must not clash with three major objections that he lays out to the backstop - on sovereignty, the destination of the future relationship, and undermining the GFA.

So: Boris is proposing a new backstop (but nobody will call it that) to keep the Irish border open. What does that look like? That's the million euro question... but still a significant move all the same tonight. It begins.

Oh FFS. It does not 'begin'.

The reason May went with the option she did was because EU border intregity and the UK having a completely different customs arrangement and customs duty means that Johnson is asking for a fucking unicorn.

The EU Can NOT give him an alternative to what's been offered because there isn't one.

We've said this for three bloody years. It's impossible to do and maintain EU standards / prevent struggling etc.

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RedToothBrush · 19/08/2019 21:08

Why are no journalists pointing this out?

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Niquitic · 19/08/2019 21:11

RTB: 1 Thank you 2 Fuck knows

RedToothBrush · 19/08/2019 21:21

The Columnist @sime0nstylites
1. Brexit has taken another strange turn with the announcement (again) of the end of FoM on October 31, the government’s rejection of the previous government’s interim approach to FoM, and the promise of an as yet unspecified approach.

So what’s going on?

2. You would be forgiven for thinking this approach was the work of people hell-bent on making their lives as difficult as possible.

3. Not only is it unworkable but it will galvanise opposition from moderate Conservatives, business and a host of other impacted parties. It also further damages Team Johnson’s shop-worn reputation for being a liberal.

4. Sadly, I detect a plan that has no rationale other than politics.

If Team Johnson’s Plan A was to persuade the Europeans to drop the backstop, it hasn’t worked.

If Plan B was to persuade Conservative MPs that resistance is futile, it hasn’t worked.

5. So on to Plan C - preparing for a general election.

The only sense in this new immigration approach is to try to increase the Conservatives’ polling numbers.

6. The similarity of the current onslaught to the referendum campaign is not an accident - NHS, immigration, NHS, immigration, rinse and repeat forever.

But there is one important difference.

No Deal changes the dynamics materially.

7. The percentage of No Deal supporters is much less than 50% - let’s call it 35%. In a sense that’s fine because Team Johnson is not trying to win a referendum - ie get over 50% of the vote.

8. Johnson is trying to win a plurality, which, in our fragmented state, is perhaps somewhere around 35%.

And he is not there yet.

9. Johnson needs every single one of the No Deal votes, most of which can only come from the Brexit Party.

As a result, the government is posturing very hard on immigration.

10. For the avoidance of doubt, Plan C has little to do with what’s right or wrong for the country unless of course you think there is nothing better than a Team Johnson overall majority.

11. Will it work?

The bet, if you will, is that the 35% No Deal bloc is more unified (and gettable) than any other bloc or coalition.

12. But the strategy has three major flaws.

1. The more radical the position, the greater the opposition is galvanised to react in unusual ways (eg electoral cooperation)

2. If anyone thinks the Brexit Party will march happily off the field, I have a bus to sell them.

13. Thirdly, No Deal is actually a real problem.

How solid is that 35% if people get worried? I have my doubts.

Hence the government’s fury at the Yellowhammer leak because it subverts the election campaign narrative.

14. An election is coming, and very soon.

Why wait to be humiliated by a No Deal Brexit being stopped by the HoC or, worse, losing a VONC?

Fasten your seatbelts for September.

/ends

PS Watch carefully for any histrionics post the meetings with Macron and Merkel.

PPS ht @JamesKanag for the plurality / majority insight.
(RTB: this twitter thread is worth reading)

As I keep saying, and I'm going to bore you about - Johnson isn't doing policy atm. He's doing photoshoots.

All of this is - the Facebook addresses to the 'nation' (the leave echo chamber), the dogwhistle politics, suddenly trying to appear reasonable and asking if the EU will be reasonable - isn't about Brexit. It's about Johnson staying in power and a possible GE. It's all about optics to anyone who might possibly vote for him.

It's the bloody bus again. Except no one is seeing it. Again.

And the journalists are flapping and not calling it out.

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